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    If you do decide to do it make sure you get paid for it as you're saving the school quite a bit of money, but I tend to agree with everyone here, leave well alone.

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    pc repair

    if you repair any componet in a pc ( apart from power supply ) there is no reason for the computer to be PAT tested, as all devices are low voltage.
    If you buy NEW equipment it doesn't need to be pat tested before you use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Bixby View Post
    If you do decide to do it make sure you get paid for it as you're saving the school quite a bit of money, but I tend to agree with everyone here, leave well alone.
    If it's on school time you can't be expected to be paid twice for it. Saving the school money is part of your job.

    Quote Originally Posted by farmerste
    If you buy NEW equipment it doesn't need to be pat tested before you use it.
    That's a matter of institutional policy.

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    You can't take on endless amounts of new responsibilities in a position and still carry them out in the same amount of time is just not possible.

    Extra time would be required probably and would have to be paid for.

    Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by powdarrmonkey View Post
    If it's on school time you can't be expected to be paid twice for it. Saving the school money is part of your job.
    If it wasn't in my contract I ain't doin' it. Them using you to do things you're not employed for is not part of the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    Why?

    You test it once a year and it either passes or fails, as long as the machine is calibrated when it should be where's the problem.

    If an item is subsequently damaged after the test making it unsafe then that's not your problem.

    Ben
    In theory yes -

    But say something was wrong down the line and a student was injured/killed - you'd certainly come into question in an inquest, even more so were the parents inclined to legal action (thank you for that america..) - and as you've not got an electrical company backing you I'd say leave well enough alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little-Miss View Post
    Has anybody been trained and do it in their school?

    Myself and the resources manager were considering it. Any interesting points to make?
    im trained to do it, not worth it just so time consuming

    I should add if i leave mine a guy from an external company does all the pc's for me
    Last edited by lbradley; 30th April 2009 at 12:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmerste View Post
    if you repair any componet in a pc ( apart from power supply ) there is no reason for the computer to be PAT tested, as all devices are low voltage.
    If you buy NEW equipment it doesn't need to be pat tested before you use it.
    Part A, agreed, part B, hmmm. My trainer was quite adamant about this; production testing is only on a batch basis, so MAY not identify every manufacturing fault.

    The only Regulation that I can find at the moment (should be doing other stuff) relates more to "higher risk" scenarios but the gist is the same:-

    Regulation 6 of PUWER
    "Inspection is required for work equipment:
    a) after installation and before being put into service for the first time, or after assembly at a new site or in a new location;
    Imagine the scenario; you buy a new widget for work. User picks it up and gets a shock, killing them. The judge asks you "Was it safe to use?"
    "No".
    Go to jail, do not pass go, etc.

    Sure the manufacturer may join you there, but you are no less culpable. Oh, and if your boss doesn't have a "safe system of work" he may join you there too, but will more likely go to some cushy open prison.

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    Don't do it, you'll be hanging from the rafters within a week.

    If you do decide to do it ask to be paid per item. The school will save loads by getting you to do it so don't think that they are doing you a favor.

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    Our Site Manager used to do it. It would take so long that when he'd got round he had to start again.

    Now we get external people in who fail all the computers with cracked plastic fronts. Quite annoying it's not as dangerous as the hole in the PSU in the back. Known as 'air vents'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew_C View Post
    The only Regulation that I can find at the moment (should be doing other stuff) relates more to "higher risk" scenarios but the gist is the same:-

    Regulation 6 of PUWER
    Is that the wrong set of regulations? This document says "What equipment is covered by the Regulations?
    Generally, any equipment which is used by an employee at work is covered, for example hammers, knives, ladders, drilling machines, power presses, circular saws, photocopiers, lifting equipment (including lifts), dumper trucks and motor vehicles." and it stops there. I obviously can't second guess what was in the mind of the people who drafted it, but it doesn't look like it was intended to cover IT equipment.

    This document on the IET web site says "There are no set statutory periods for formal visual inspection and test. The maintenance regime should be appropriate to the environment and duty for which the equipment is used. Electrical testing in a low risk area (eg in an office) would be less frequent than in a harsh industrial environment"

    It also talks about the three kinds of check - user check, formal visual inspection and combined inspection and testing. It's the last of these that's generally referred to as "portable appliance testing"; for a computer in an office it's probably only needed every 4 years (so possibly never if you have a 4 year replacement cycle).

    What would be appropriate with new equipment is a visual inspection - is anything damaged? Are wires sticking out? Is there any charring? The whole of health and safety law is about being reasonable - it is reasonable to assume that there are no safety faults in something like a PC but it's not reasonable to assume that it couldn't have been damaged during manufacture or delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srochford View Post
    Is that the wrong set of regulations? This document says "What equipment is covered by the Regulations?
    Generally, any equipment which is used by an employee at work is covered, for example hammers, knives, ladders, drilling machines, power presses, circular saws, photocopiers, lifting equipment (including lifts), dumper trucks and motor vehicles." and it stops there. I obviously can't second guess what was in the mind of the people who drafted it, but it doesn't look like it was intended to cover IT equipment.
    You don't need to second guess. Generally, any equipment which is used by an employee at work is covered That is pretty much "all inclusive" From a stapler to a 40T truck. It DOES include IT kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew_C View Post
    You don't need to second guess. Generally, any equipment which is used by an employee at work is covered That is pretty much "all inclusive" From a stapler to a 40T truck. It DOES include IT kit.
    With respect - that's nonsense - the regulations were put in place to protect people using portable equipment as part of their work - like builders using power drills on site, etc.

    Static pieces of electrical equipment were never intended to be covered, and while a visual check once in a while is a good idea - full PAT testing annually is overkill (imho), and certainly didn't identify the (several) TFT monitors that have caught fire this year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpuffMonkey View Post
    With respect - that's nonsense - the regulations were put in place to protect people using portable equipment as part of their work - like builders using power drills on site, etc.

    Static pieces of electrical equipment were never intended to be covered, and while a visual check once in a while is a good idea - full PAT testing annually is overkill (imho), and certainly didn't identify the (several) TFT monitors that have caught fire this year...
    Sorry, but you've missed a slight drift OT. We were specifically referring to PUWER (Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulation).

    If you read the IEE code of practice on PAT, you will find a table of recommended INITIAL test frequencies. If you don't find damaged equipment, you reduce the frequency. If however several TFTs start smoking each year, then it might be sage to be doing MORE testing to identify which are likely to fail and get them repaired BEFORE your school burns down!

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    aaarrrrgh

    FFS

    why don't you simply make some stickers that say :-

    'ONLY risk aware adults should use this device '

    obviously you will have to do it in braille as well, and probably ensure the adhesive on the stickers conform to some other regulation ( so they don't come off ) and then ensure that correct training on how to read notices id given to everyone at work, plus a complete schedule of induction for anyone who may visit the workplace or come into contact with any equipment, so that they can identify, read and then sign some sort of indemnity before they venture forth in to this highly hazardous area. Elecrically insulating boots/gloves must be worn at all time etc.

    Meanwhile in the real world.........


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