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    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    there will be times where upto 60 users will be working on premier
    Can we just get this straight: do you mean you want to store a whole bunch of raw video footage (12GB/hour DV footage, or 640X480 AVI files from a point-and-shoot camera, or whatever), Premier thumbnail video preview files and rendered footage on one central file server? Or do you just want to store Premier project files (i.e. just the data file that says where everything else is) on the file server and have video stored locally?

    You will need a big server to manage 60 people all editing full video files at once - the sort of thing that starts at around £10,000 and works up from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    Can we just get this straight: do you mean you want to store a whole bunch of raw video footage (12GB/hour DV footage, or 640X480 AVI files from a point-and-shoot camera, or whatever), Premier thumbnail video preview files and rendered footage on one central file server? Or do you just want to store Premier project files (i.e. just the data file that says where everything else is) on the file server and have video stored locally?

    You will need a big server to manage 60 people all editing full video files at once - the sort of thing that starts at around £10,000 and works up from there.

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    I agree.

    Unfortunately most of the technical data available regardign gigE delivery concerns FCP on the mac. Doesn't appear to be much info regardign premiere or any kind of white papers or best practive.....shame on you adobe. :P Apple and the apple community appear to be much better in that regard.

    Haven't bothered to look for Avid info, but i'd imagine the principle aren't too disimalr to what FCP best practice is.

    Considering the lack of adobe info i would guess you'll need a powerful server, lot of RAM and that all important disk subsystem. Post-production houses have FC arrays for their workflow and that would be my chioce if i had the money. That or a top notch NAS server or NAS gateway. Lot of specialists selling these FC or SAS arrays for video professionals (to indie types for instance)...but as dhicks says you're looking at a starting point of 10k even if you go with one of the smaller vendors rather than EMC or HP for instance.

    @mrhappy - i think myself and dhicks posed similar questions. but dhicks is more
    accurate. I'm coming from an imovie / FCP background.....you and he are more familiar with the premiere environment where project files as i come to understand them means something slightly different in premiere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torledo View Post
    I agree.

    Unfortunately most of the technical data available regardign gigE delivery concerns FCP on the mac. Doesn't appear to be much info regardign premiere or any kind of white papers or best practive.....shame on you adobe. :P Apple and the apple community appear to be much better in that regard.

    Haven't bothered to look for Avid info, but i'd imagine the principle aren't too disimalr to what FCP best practice is.

    Considering the lack of adobe info i would guess you'll need a powerful server, lot of RAM and that all important disk subsystem. Post-production houses have FC arrays for their workflow and that would be my chioce if i had the money. That or a top notch NAS server or NAS gateway. Lot of specialists selling these FC or SAS arrays for video professionals (to indie types for instance)...but as dhicks says you're looking at a starting point of 10k even if you go with one of the smaller vendors rather than EMC or HP for instance.

    @mrhappy - i think myself and dhicks posed similar questions. but dhicks is more
    accurate. I'm coming from an imovie / FCP background.....you and he are more familiar with the premiere environment where project files as i come to understand them means something slightly different in premiere.
    Ok Im going to install sata drives on the machines. after reading what you all have said it seems what i thought would be ok is going to be expensive and not practical for the school enviroment.

    May be i could have them all SYNC once a week to a nas server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    May be i could have them all SYNC once a week to a nas server.
    This is what I figured too - anything capable of dishing out video to our 20 simultaneous clients was going to be way to expensive (and noisy!) for us. We can cheat slightly in that we're an independent school so we can say things like "all those who take the video editing option must provide their own external hard drive (available for £80 from Mr Hicks)" - I was going to make sure our workstations had either FireWire 800 or eSATA ports. Only problem is if a pupil looses/drops/breaks/eats/whatever the damn thing...

    For file synchronisation, I should think overnight every night should be a realistic option - that means that a teacher can place some video files on a central server one day and they'll be copied out to each workstation overnight (something involving multicast here would be a good idea...). Same goes for user files being copied back to the server - it shouldn't be difficult to get a script to make sure all the permissions and whatnot match up between a directory on the server and on each workstation.

    Now that I've thought of it, though, I'm still keen to try that distributed file system...

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    If you are syncing to a share from windows you may well need to stagger the connections to avoid the dreaded "delayed write failed" message if your storage box can't respond in quickly enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterW View Post
    Some models from Old Maxtor, Samsung & Western Digital all have NCQ.

    I have a 3 year old 200GB Maxtor at home with NCQ.
    A fair few drive manufacturers may have picked up NCQ but from my experience they never pushed it as hard as Seagate did, if they had have it would be a lot better supported out of the box on all motherboards and cards.


    I also agree with the majority here that for a school the best option currently would be local drives mirrored overnight for backup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMcCoy View Post
    If you are syncing to a share from windows you may well need to stagger the connections to avoid the dreaded "delayed write failed" message if your storage box can't respond in quickly enough.

    yep create a script to WOL the machines

    then would you set a scheduled job to backup on the machines or the server.

    Im thinking server, so its easier to manage from a central location.

    does anyone agree or have a diffrent approach?

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