Sun \ Oracle has a lot of fans by the looks of it
Is there some kind of odd channel distribution for these as no reseller or storage \ virtualisation company mentions them at all (and I've had aboout 5-6 meetings now with some big players in the market)?
Sun as far as i remember is only allowed to be sold by approved sun resellers from approved distributors. on top there is a severe low margin if i recall correctly so making them a not so popular item to be sold from a reseller point of view. this was some time ago that i looked at it so the info may be outdated now though
I think Poco's right about the approved resellers, although most of the companies I've spoken to have been willing to supply S7000 stuff if I've wanted it. If you're looking for a point of contact, talk to Andy Trevor @ Cutter Project (linescanner on here), or Andy Paton @ WTL (apaton on here).
When S7000 started to get popular I think it scared some of the bigger names in this price-range. NetApp just couldn't compete on the licensing front and started to try to scare Sun users with the ZFS/WAFL lawsuit (which is now over).
I don't have a San but from the stuff I have seen I would go with Sun/Oracle route in schools or go with a whole system VM system based round an Intel modular server.
Yes, most of the big boys will sell you Sun stuff, but they don't get the same 'incentives' as they do from the other SAN manufacturers so prefer to sell you the other stuff. You'll be amazed at how the core brands in the SAN area will fight for your business ;-)
now that is very true. all of the brands will fight for your business aggressively over 10k and sometimes under 10k. more for the fact of having their brand out there so places like this spread their name.
I think a full-fat SAN with the dual heads \ controllers (whatever your preferred terminology is!) is the safest pair of hands to give to the virtual environment. N+1 hosts gives the room to breathe for failover so probably sticking with that route.
I still don't trust Hyper-V, end of the day I don't want Windows running underneath as my hypervisor
There definitely seems some aggressive marketing going on out there, some of the events I've been on must've been sponsored by the SAN manufacturers and have to admit it nearly worked until I stick the product names into here \ Google!
linescanner (2nd December 2010)
We've had the Hitatchi SANS in place now for about 15 months....unfortunately they have not been as reliable as I would have liked. We have 2 SANS in place and both have been replaced and then the replacements have also had to be replaced (faults with drives and power supplies). The user support leaves a lot to be desired as well...take for instance the last two replacements we were sent, both were incorrectly configured with the wrong number of drives, as a result it was impossible to use their data migration tool and we had to wait for another replacement to be sent through to us.
Hitatchi (used to be IBM) deskstar PATA/SATA drives earned the name "deathstar" over a 10 year period of constant faliures.
Buy a hitatchi san at your peril IMHO.
Another one into the mix from a meeting today... DotHill was suggested as something pretty solid to base the VM environment on. Any thoughts?
Ye true, was thinking the same as our Windows Storage server has been a right pain at times with AV, Windows Updates etc. Do you use NFS for your VMs at all? It's something I've seen a few people doing these days, just wondering how widespread it is amongst people's installs here...
Like a lot of SAN vendors, Sun also sell storage based on the popular LSI logic midrange products [although it wasn't merely a case of sticking a Sun label on, there would have been i imagine a fair amount of Sun value added]. IBM and others do likewise with the LSI stuff. And IBM have some of their own interesting products higher up the midrange you go.
As always it boils down to how much you have to spend. The S7000 certainly seems to have shifted the goalposts as far as bang per buck with multiprotocol storage, but i think it'll always be the case that you have those who like to stick to certain brands.
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