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Hardware Thread, Help me get out of a 1400 mistake. Nas + Server 2008 backup = NOT in Technical; I just bought two new NAS boxes to enhance our backups. We regularly backup to tape and NAS boxes. However ...
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    Help me get out of a 1400 mistake. Nas + Server 2008 backup = NOT

    I just bought two new NAS boxes to enhance our backups. We regularly backup to tape and NAS boxes. However the Seagate BlackArmor 440 does not allow you to format it's volumes in NTFS.
    The problem is that Server 2008 backup will only back up on to drives that are NTFS!

    I am going to have to come up with some convoluted method of doing this as I can't send the boxes back, so wondered if anyone had any suggestions?

    I was thinking along the lines of backing up to my original NAS boxes and then having a script that could move that backup to the BlackArmors. This way keeping my archives on the BlackArmors and my daily backups on the TeraStations.

    Can anyone suggest any other options I might consider?

    Thanks.

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    What can you format them in then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    What can you format them in then?
    It's ext3?

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    Robocopy will backup to Linux partitions etc. Usually works best with /copyT switch. What do you currently use to backup?

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    What issues are you having with the 2008 side of it? Surely if you're presenting the NAS to the server via SMB/CIFS over the network, then it shouldn't care what the underlying filesystem is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by webman View Post
    What issues are you having with the 2008 side of it? Surely if you're presenting the NAS to the server via SMB/CIFS over the network, then it shouldn't care what the underlying filesystem is?
    Oh it does!

    Server 2008 backup either directly with Server backup up through backupassist (Just an interface for server 2008 backup) complains that the file system is not ntfs and the backup fails every time!

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    Hmm. I see. Is this any good? Clutching at straws.

    One such setting is the security/authentication mechanism used between clients and servers. In particular, there are 3 different levels
    LM or LanManager
    NTLM or NT Lan Manager
    NTLMv2 or NT Lan Manager v2

    Windows 2008 allows only NTLMv2 by default since it is the most secure and many Linux based NAS devices cannot support NTLMv2

    For a stand alone Windows Server 2008 box, try the following
    Click Start->Control Panel
    Double Click Administrative Tools
    Double Click Local Security Policyd
    Doubleclick Local Policies
    Double click ecurity Options
    Select "Network Security:LAN Manager authentication level"

    It should be set to "Send NTLMv2 response only"

    To allow the maximum security, yet use your existing NAS device, change this to
    "Send LM and NTLM - use NTLMv2 session security if negotiated


    For domain based servers, the Group Policy applied may prevent you from changing this setting and you will have to change the policy. I am working on a more detailed write up of what changes are needed to make Windows Server 2008 work with down level clients

    This should get your backups working. Restore may need more changes

    I am working on a longer article that will include screen shots, etc
    2008 Server Backup

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    [QUOTE=webman;505768]Hmm. I see. Is this any good? Clutching at straws.



    Not suer yet. But thanks for the clue!

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    What you backing up? As long as it isnt loads of files you can get it to backup to itself (either another partition, drive, or just a folder on the OS partition) and then robocopy the backup file over.

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    Nope, thanks for the effort put in there webman but still the same error, which just to pass it on is...

    This would backup volume DATA(D to \\backup3\backups\Prenton1\d drive\Wednesday.

    A backup cannot be done to a remote shared folder which is not hosted on a volume formatted with NTFS.
    Frustrating to say the least

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    This is rubbish. I would take j17sparky's advice. Use a portable USB hard disk as the primary backup destination, then script a copy of the files from USB -> NAS once done.

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    Server 2008 or 2008R2, if it is R2 you could create a VHD on the NAS, format that to NTFS, mount it as a drive and then backup to that. Its a little convoluded but probably quicker than backup to one then copy to the other. VHD is supported for read/write over CIFS/SMB.

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    Just 2008
    I'm thinking, backup to terastation that does work then copy that to the other seagate NAS. Hope restoring is ok. Not keen of server 2008 backup. Bring back ntbackup!

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    is there any other backup software you can use? Is there anything free out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    is there any other backup software you can use? Is there anything free out there?
    I wish. I might contact the creators of backup assist to see if they have any suggestions!

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