Hardware Thread, Fujitsu Blade Cnetre and SAN in Technical; Hi All,
I am looking about for a Blade System and SAN and currently fujitsu are the only one coming ...
28th September 2009, 11:47 AM #1
Fujitsu Blade Cnetre and SAN
I am looking about for a Blade System and SAN and currently fujitsu are the only one coming in on budget.
I have never used Fujitsu equipment, only heard of issue like the mass HDD drive failures.
Does any one here use there kit and what do they think?
28th September 2009, 12:10 PM #2
Could you PM me your details and exactly what it is you are after so I can get you some comparitive pricing? If you have a budget to work towards then let me know and I'll try and secure some special bids for you on HP while also quoting on IBM & Fujitsu for you
28th September 2009, 12:11 PM #3
I haven't had great experiences with Fujitsu drives either and although we haven't had many here (mainly WD and Seagate with some Hitachi's) they do seem to have failed more than other brands.
Any particular reason for going with blades, and do you need to get your SAN and servers from the same supplier? The Sun S7000 SANs are getting a lot of love at the moment and they're also doing some really good deals on servers (up to half price / BOGOF type of thing).
28th September 2009, 01:08 PM #4
The are a number or reasons to move to blades mainly we are moving to a visualised environment and blades are better suited.
Originally Posted by Duke
i would prefer same supplier as there can be integrated management.
28th September 2009, 01:18 PM #5
Fair enough, although have you got enough VMs to make blades 'worthwhile'? I'm not trying to change your mind or disagree with you, but I know many people have found you need a decent number of physical machines (thus a large number of VMs) before going the blade route is worth it due to the proprietary hardware, vendor lock-in, etc. that is the downside of blades.
Originally Posted by penfold_99
Have you also considered the failover of a blade chassis dying? I'm going for four rack servers so that if one dies, another can take over through VMware, and I'll duplicate that in a second location for DR if the whole rack goes down. If you're packing 8-odd blades into one chassis, what do you do if the chassis dies and takes out all your hosts? Of course, if you're doing a huge project and will have several blade chassis and multiple blades in each then it's less of an issue. If you have a lot of bandwidth requirements, will the blades have enough network ports?
Check out this thread: Servers and SAN - Suggestions?
I know I probably shouldn't quote myself, but:
Integrated management is definitely a good idea, I know the Sun ILOM is good, not sure what their server management tools are like. The S7000 SAN is mainly managed through a web interface and it's the most awesome thing I've played with in a while.
Blades generally aren't worth it until you have quite a lot of servers and it gets to the point where the improved efficiency/space/cooling actually becomes worth doing. As you mentioned, vendor lock-in is an issue so I'd say stick with rack servers for now unless you have a lot of physical servers and you are very tight on space.
As far as the SAN goes, definitely check out the Sun S7000 stuff, it's pretty cool. We have a Sun 7410 (22TB, but scales to 0.5PB which is awesome) here and it's a really nice bit of kit. I also have a NetApp FAS2020 and as others have mentioned they're very expensive and you have to buy an individual license for each feature you want, whereas the Sun stuff is designed to be 'open' and all features/protocols and upgrades are completely free. Definitely talk to Andy at Cutter Project (linescanner) about them, if you want to have a chat about ours Andy will pass on my details.
28th September 2009, 01:32 PM #6
Originally Posted by WStore_Dan
thanks for the offer but hp and ibm are 6k more expensive from all suppliers.
28th September 2009, 01:44 PM #7
I have to say we are a Dell shop and they tend t be very competative on pricing. Our Dell Blade chassis's are coming up on 5 years old, and never had a failure yet (touch wood).
We've been pricing up a replacement of late and found the following:
IBM - Expensive
HP - Not looked at
Dell - Pricing OK, but not as good as it used to be.
As regards SAN's we have an EMC SAN that connects to the Dell Blades with no problems, and I can't see why there would be a problem unless the HBA (if you go fibre) adaptors are none standard.
28th September 2009, 01:45 PM #8
Originally Posted by Duke
Currently there are 9 servers running, this will double as we are looking to increase redundancy and increase further with a test suite.
the schools is opening a 6th centre next September and im looking to put a flexible system in place.
there will be a physical box in addition to the blade centre in the unlikely event of the chassis goes down where we can run critial systems from.
28th September 2009, 03:09 PM #9
28th September 2009, 03:26 PM #10
We have just had a complete server refresh now ruuning 24 servers and they are all fujitsu servers bar 1 and we have not had any problems we are also using 2 fujitsu sx80 SANs (they use seagate drives lol) and they run great we use the duplex data manager software to keep the two SAN in sync with each other.
28th September 2009, 03:33 PM #11
Haha... enough said!
Originally Posted by mattstevenson2005
Most of my server/SAN-level hardware runs Seagate drives too (the S7000 has Seagate HDDs and STEC SSDs) and they generally seem very reliable. Most of our desktop stuff runs WD drives.
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