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Hardware Thread, Is this more then i need? in Technical; I thought Sun made tower servers as well? But do give Cutter a call amazingly helpful guys...
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    I thought Sun made tower servers as well? But do give Cutter a call amazingly helpful guys

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    Spec looks about right to me, its very similar to a couple we installed a few months back for similar sized schools and it runs very nicely.

    As a guide, for a very similar spec'd dell server (slightly slower cpu, but with dual psu's, 6gb of ram and 4 year warranty) we paid a touch under £1800.

    Steve

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    wow! Erm, mine is more then a touch above that! Definately got some haggling to do tomorrow!!

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    Just out of interest are the suppliers installing the OS and setting it up for you?

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    Yes, but thats a seperate cost.

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    We have just been quoted £2000 for a quad core Xeon HP ML125 (?) with 4 500Gb SATA drives with one spare (from memory) and 4GB memory
    Please be very wary of going for any more memory - if you go up we have been told by more than one supplier that we would have to go up to the 64 bit operating system and printer drivers and some primary school software - specially the old stuff we seem to specialise in won't work with it. So we are sticking to 4GB for now with the ability to upgrade in future
    Don't forget that SAS drives are quite a lot more than SATAs so you must take that into account.
    Check your warranty - We have 3 years on the server but it doesn't cover the drives.(only emerged in the course of a discussion)
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    Witch check the HDD manufacturers website. You'll find although there is no warranty cover via HP you should have some via the HDD manufacturer. For example some extra 750GB hdd upgrades on a HP ML110 have a 5 year warranty via Seagate.

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    We had a drive replaced under warrenty on our HP server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    We have just been quoted £2000 for a quad core Xeon HP ML125 (?) with 4 500Gb SATA drives with one spare (from memory) and 4GB memory
    Please be very wary of going for any more memory - if you go up we have been told by more than one supplier that we would have to go up to the 64 bit operating system and printer drivers and some primary school software - specially the old stuff we seem to specialise in won't work with it. So we are sticking to 4GB for now with the ability to upgrade in future
    Don't forget that SAS drives are quite a lot more than SATAs so you must take that into account.
    Check your warranty - We have 3 years on the server but it doesn't cover the drives.(only emerged in the course of a discussion)
    That's strange, my HP ML370s always had 3 year drive warranties if bought with the server at the same time (which they always were), if the server had 5 years they then had 5 years, again if bought at the same time and I had them swapped that way for ages with no problems. Maybe they have removed that with the newer SAS drives as this was on U320 15K SCSI ones.

    As for the 4GB Ram, you can use 32bit Enterprise Edition Server 2003 which will see more than 4GB Ram Witch, it splits it up and uses it for various things, I have 8GB in 2 DCs at work and they pick it up fine but it does have to be Enterprise Edition. I also believed that it was 4GB max, but I was shown wrong by the MS website and its just a change to the boot.ini file, reboot the Server and voilla 8GB usable ram for Windows.

    Large memory support is available in Windows Server 2003 and in Windows 2000 to the MS Knowledge to give you the speele on it

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    Ooh, thats interesting, i got told 4Gb was the maximum that 2003 can see but apparently Birmingham isnt feeding out 2008 yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little-Miss View Post
    Ooh, thats interesting, i got told 4Gb was the maximum that 2003 can see but apparently Birmingham isnt feeding out 2008 yet.
    Perfect for you then Little Miss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little-Miss View Post
    Back up will be a 1TB NAS device
    What about your off-site backups ?

    Your server is more than enough for 100 clients. If you only have one DC then spend money on redundancy (2 x PSU's, good RAID, decent warranty and tape backups) rather than raw power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    We have just been quoted £2000 for a quad core Xeon HP ML125 (?) with 4 500Gb SATA drives with one spare (from memory) and 4GB memory
    Please be very wary of going for any more memory - if you go up we have been told by more than one supplier that we would have to go up to the 64 bit operating system and printer drivers and some primary school software - specially the old stuff we seem to specialise in won't work with it. So we are sticking to 4GB for now with the ability to upgrade in future
    Don't forget that SAS drives are quite a lot more than SATAs so you must take that into account.
    Check your warranty - We have 3 years on the server but it doesn't cover the drives.(only emerged in the course of a discussion)
    They do make RAID versions of SATA drives that are meant to be more reliable and arent that much more expensive.

    So might be worth while looking at those sata hard drives ( most likely stating the obvious but thought I would point it out )

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    Looks like a good machine.
    I'm in a 3 form entry primary as well and they are eating up hard drive space at the moment so get as much as you can. One of the Assistant heads has just discovered the delights of filming the assembleys....

    Rich

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    The old 32bit for printer drivers is not really a good excuse anymore with the virtualisation rights on all of the Windows server line for current licenses. You have rights to one physical copy and one virtual copy of even server standard so you can put the physical box onto a 64bit OS and just put the usually unstable legacy junk like printers onto a small virtual 32bit copy of the OS.

    On drives you can get server grade SATA ones but SAS is vastly faster given that most are now dual port and run at a minumum of 10,000 RPM (15,000 RPM also avalible) rather than the 7,200 RPM of SATA.



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