Hardware Thread, New Server Room in Technical; Hi Everyone,
Since I started here a couple of months ago I've been looking to move the server rack into ...
28th April 2009, 02:38 PM #1
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28th April 2009, 02:44 PM #2
Our UPS solution isn't ideal either, so I can't really advise on that. What I will say is that you should put A/C in from the outset. It may be 15 degrees now, but when you stick some servers in there, it'll soon heat up. Especially if it is a closed room. We have a dozen machines in our room, and without A/C it'd be hitting 40 degrees in there.
28th April 2009, 02:47 PM #3
Will a holier room next door not be hot for servers
28th April 2009, 02:56 PM #4
Would agree totally about the air-con.
You will need it as soon as the servers are up and running, and it will be easier to fit it during other building work than retro-fitting it later.
As for UPS, redundancy is the key. Better to have several smaller capacity than one to service the whole lot, expecially if you have redundant power supplies in the servers.
28th April 2009, 03:01 PM #5
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The Aircon failed in our server room this summer with only 5 servers 5 switches and 2 ups running in there and as server rooms go its quite large. We came back in on monday (it had failed over weekend) and you could have cooked an egg on the plaster board wall, the other tech opened the door and burn his hand on the door handle and thats not next to a boiler room, other consideration is when boiler starts leaking and your server room is under water will the insurance pay out not the ideal place to have it.
28th April 2009, 03:07 PM #6
can you explain why ? what do you know about the redundancy of units sufficiently sized and designed to provide backup power and power filtering for all servers ?
Originally Posted by Linfit
have you not heard of a 2N configuration ?
For the OP, the big four server vendors all make good equipment racks. My preference would be hp or ibm.
apc also do a good range, but most rack vendors have a number of cable management options so nothing stands out in that regard. some racks are wider to accomodate cable routing channels, but i don't think those are necessary in most cases.
i would say split rear doors are a nice feature, and a size below 42u and above 24u is a good size for getting under doors, getting to top equipment in the rack and having enough room to accomodate a small server estate. hp's 36u racks are possibly the most convenient height.
28th April 2009, 03:19 PM #7
28th April 2009, 03:27 PM #8
sorry, i meant N+1 when using a single ups.
Originally Posted by wesleyw
2N is the configuration for having dual ups. It's not the case that you need dual UPS for a redundant configuration with servers that have dual power supplies. you could have dual power strips but they can both go into a suitably sized ups. infact many larger orgs use a single big ups with an automatic transfer switch upstream connected to mains power and generator for power source redundancy.
there may be a cost implication for going with a larger single ups vs two or more smaller ups but there's enough redundancy.
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28th April 2009, 03:33 PM #9
While I'd love to stick A/C in now it's something SMT want to hold off on until we know more about the temps in the room with the servers in there. The current location doesn't have A/C either and is currently sitting at around 30C (without any of the new servers being switched on!), which is one of the major considerations in moving the servers.
Having never been near our boiler when it's on I've been assured that the room stays cold throughout winter and summer, and I've also been assured that the water pipes are on the opposite side of the (very) large boiler room. The floor is being raised due to a large concrete plinth that is too difficult to remove, so the servers will be at a much higher height than the boiler room so hopefully if the water pipes do burst we'll have some time to respond before the room floods totally!
Which UPS manufacturers (other than APC) are people using? Or is it just worth sticking to the APC range of UPS equipment?
28th April 2009, 03:35 PM #10
What is a 2N configuration?
For non redundant UPS systems, a 2N configuration can be used to achieve high levels of availability. In a 2N configuration, the load is connected to two UPSs via an Automatic Transfer Switch (ATS). Each UPS is connected to two separate AC lines (each UPS receives power from a separate power source) and the ATS monitors the power quality from both the primary and redundant UPS and automatically switches the load to the redundant UPS when it detects a potential disruption to the load, such as a UPS failure or replacement.
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28th April 2009, 03:42 PM #11
I've got to agree with Alex - why would you want to site your servers next to your boiler room? I presume the boiler room is on the ground floor so what is the drainage like around the room?
In terms of H&S I'm not sure anyone called in to fix a leaking boiler would be particularly enthusiastic to know you've got a whole lot of electrical equipment in the room adjacent either
Sounds like someone needs to do a risk assessment...
28th April 2009, 04:00 PM #12
With or without aircon, you need some kind of environmental monitor so that if the room gets too hot then systems get shut down cleanly. You can also get the electricians to install the aircon supply in such a way that if it fails, the power for the servers gets cut off. UPS will then take over but they will then shut down the servers before everything melts.
There's a whole raft of monitoring stuff which you can get that just rack mounts and gives SNMP info but I found this at Dartmount college which gives a rather simple DIY system. the web site refers to US suppliers but I think homechip sell all the bits you need
28th April 2009, 10:38 PM #13
I would look at the APC stuff (well the MGE stuff seen as MGE own APC) I'm still partial to the MGE onces which look very impressive.
29th April 2009, 12:03 AM #14
We have a lot more stuff than that... 20 servers, a big stack of switches... two ups units. Our air con got switched off. The lino on the floor melted, the feet of the racks are now sunk about a centimetre into the floor! We were extremely lucky, the metal covers came off the sprinklers so had the heat risen a few more degrees it could have been very messy.
Originally Posted by alextreadwell
All the servers except one powered themselves off when they got too hot, and all except one came back on with no problems... yup... it had to be the SIMS server that went down. You can guarantee if something's gonna break it's gonna be SIMS!
29th April 2009, 10:32 AM #15
We have Riello UPS devices (two - one in each server rack). They're excellent - they include digital readouts on the front panels, giving a huge amount of information (more is available via the management software), and for our 17 servers, most of which are pretty powerful, we get two hours' runtime after power failure. I've set them up to power down when only 15 minutes remains in the UPS batteries. Servers with dual power supplies are fed from both UPSes.
This is the model we've gone for: Dialog Dual
We purchased from UPS Systems PLC, who were very competitive and most helpful.
Hope that helps!
PS - we also have APC SmartUPSes in critical comms cabinets.
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