Thanks for the posting on here. you might want to watch this space over the next week or two...
We have some announcements regarding "new" stuff that is coming out that will cover off the 4TB discussion.
Are you going to the Discovery Day by the way??
We have the ST2500 series for the low end SAS/iSCSI/FC requirements; the ST6000 series for the midrange requirement (16 - 448 drives either FC or SATA with FC host connectivity) and then the ST9900 for the high-end, OLTP, large corporate environment.
The S7000 as you know is Network attached at the moment but we have some really exciting things happening with it over the next 6-9 months in terms of connectivity, feature set and all the other good things we can build into it.
With the "licence free" software stack and the x86 platform you get the best of latest performance capabilities combined with a 128bit filesystem and all the features you'll (hopefully) ever need it completes our portfolio
If you want to know more then let me know on here and I'll be more than happy to share the roadmap (under NDA of course) with you.
Look forward to seeing some / most of you at the S7000 Discovery Days on the 9th / 10th June. It's still not too late to register - or just turn up on the day and we'll fit you in! Just ask for me!
[zfs-code] ZFS and deduplication?). Looks like it's planned for this Summer
Be aware though that some of the ZFS and OpenSolaris features might not make it into the Fishworks / S7000 appliance stack.
If you see something on the ZFS / OpenSolaris roadmap and want to know if it will make the cut then please contact me on here to get it from the horsese mouth as they say.
4:33am, that's dedication! (Or insomnia!)
i'm aware of the product lineup, but the article raises interesting points about most of that lineup being oem'ed while at the same time sun are pursuing this open source strategy with the S7000
The ST2500 i believe is oem'ed from dothill. Plenty of like-for-like products ie HP MSA.
The ST6000 is oem'ed from LSI/Engenio, while IBM also OEM the same midrange LSI arrays. As did SGI although SGI's market share was small in comparison.
The ST9900 is oem'ed from HDS, while HP OEM the same high-end HDS USP arrays in the form of the XP series of products.
So Sun haven't got a unique distinguisher in terms of the hardware if they go up against IBM or HP in selling this kit, they have to add value added or sell complete server/storage solutions...or sell into existing sun shops. Both IBM and HP already have a significant server presence in wintel and unix environments....
The question raised is one of what do Sun do with these OEM'ed lines if they expand out the S7000 ?
If the roadmap is to add fc interfaces [and i don't know either way i'm just guessing because netapp do it and it's the logical extension to a 'multiprotocol' box] to the S7000 range do sun have the confidence in selling that as replacements for what you could call gen 1. fc devices. Or how does a fc enabled S7000 compare against a more expensive advanced gen 2. array like those from pillar.
On the one hand the S7000 logical competitor in my view is netapp FAS arrays, but i don't know how effective or common netapps arrays have been used as fibre channel storage. If the S7000 goes down the fc route where is the product going to be positioned seeing as sun already sell fc arrays.
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Honestly? I don't know exactly how I'd manage 20TB of data, it's not something I've considered as we're so far away from being there and it'll take a really long time for us to have that much. There's not a huge amount of features that NetApp/EMC offer which Sun don't, so I'm pretty confident that the 7410 and their future products will have something to meet my needs if we do run into issues.
To everyone speculating about where the product line is going - take a look at the S7000 roadmap under NDA with Phil. It will answer a lot of questions and probably make a lot of people happy. I can't give away any details, but having seen it I have a lot of confidence in this product range right now.
Work stuff matey!
am in our London office today and then on the south coast tomorrow seeing customers!!
I'm worried that allot of these improvements might not apply to the 7110 unit, will they be able to have a JBOD unit connected? or is this info subject to the NDA as well.
thanks for the reply.
We OEM the ST2500 from LSI and not Dothill (that was our old 3000 series stuff). We actually manufacture under licence the ST2500 and ST6000 arrays and if you look at the SPC (Storage Performance Council) stats we are faster than the IBM equivalent.
In terms of where the S7000 is going then it's a very, very strong roadmap with lots of new features and capabilities appearing over the next 6-9 months (and even more after that).
Whilst the S7000 is the fastest growing storage array we have ever had (20PB and growing every day) there is, and always will be, a need for highly performant FC connected storage arrays - otherwise everyone would go down the NAS route or offer a dual connectivity (NAS/SAN) and nothing else.
When we engage with customers and partners we always ask the question about workload, application layer and environment to ensure that the customer invests in absolutely the right technology. So, our traditional arrays (ST2500, ST6000 and ST9900) are selling very well indeed and doing sterling work on a large number of customer sites.
The S7000 does have a place in the market and will continue to grow but as mentioned above, will be deployed in the right environment to suit the technology.
Sorry if this sounds long winded but wanted to make you all aware of what we can do as a tier 1 IT vendor.
PS don't forget we have tape and servers as well :-)
There are lots of things happening with the S7000 range. Regarding the software layer, everyone gets everything so no worries there.
In terms of the hardware we are limited by physical capabilities of the hardware but there is a very strong roadmap for the S7000 - under NDA at the moment though.
If any of you need to see the roadmap drop me a private message on here any I'll come and see you.
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