SERVER CABINETS

alan-d · 24-05-2006, 08:33 AM

Finally I've been given the go-ahead to price up some silent server cabinets.

Any recommendations for suppliers who also install as it's not a straight forward 'stick it up against a wall' solution.

Note - normal cabinets are of no use - it has to be as sound proof as possible.

Nij.UK · 24-05-2006, 08:51 AM

we use a company called Ralco McNeils... they are very good with that kinda stuff, they are based in leicestershire..... PM me if you want there contact details

russdev · 24-05-2006, 08:54 AM

See later thread as have changed my mind about the supplier

russ

alan-d · 24-05-2006, 08:59 AM

Do they have a web addy?

plexer · 24-05-2006, 09:46 AM

kellsystems: www.kellsystems.co.uk any good? advert on the back of IT Week this week.

Ben

alan-d · 24-05-2006, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plexer

kellsystems: www.kellsystems.co.uk any good? advert on the back of IT Week this week.

Ben

Yep - just emailed them

and Keystone .

DMcCoy · 24-05-2006, 10:25 AM

Erm, they are only 800mm deep btw. I have servers and ups here that wouldn't fit in that as they require 1000mm deep cabinets. Just something to keep an eye out for.

Ah, some of the ones on the keystone page are 1m deep

Although isn't a quiet server an oxymoron?

Ric_ · 24-05-2006, 06:08 PM

Just intrigued really but why silent?

Silent tends to go hand-in-hand with insulation which goes hand-in-hand with immense heat build up.

My server room is noisy as hell and it leads off the bursars' office. They weren't impressed with the noise! A joiner came in and mounted a shed-load of rockwool insulation in a MDF casing on the back of the door. He also put beading around the inside of the door frame. Made a world of difference!

Norphy · 24-05-2006, 06:31 PM

I was wondering the same although considering how the two 1U servers we've just installed drown out the other 12 servers in the room its something I'd like to have

pete · 24-05-2006, 07:51 PM

Do you need sound-proof or do you just need to baffle the sound? i.e. are these cabinets "on display" / where someone works or tucked away in the server room?

IIRC blackbox have a setup that dumps sound and heat into a central "corridor" that is then baffled and dumped out by fans. Yes it probably does cost the earth. Ascii diagram from memory.....

Code:

                                        Fans pulling air
                                        |Corridor |
Air --> Cabinet01 --> heat & noise --> |             |
Air --> Cabinet02 --> heat & noise --> |             |
Air --> Cabinet03 --> heat & noise --> |             |

Check with server vendors to see whether they do quieter fans or if they have an authorised supplier of same.

The main source of noise in my server room is the switch rack, the servers (poweredges, proliant and a couple of custom jobs) are pretty quiet.

E1uSiV3 · 24-05-2006, 08:39 PM

One of the best ways of shutting up a server room is to cool it first, all of the fans make considerably less noise when running at 1000RPM compared to the speed they will run at when overheating. The added bonus is your fans will also last much alonger, along with your HDDs and most other components. (plus its great in summer and you can recoup the costs by charging by the minute for people to go cool off in there

)

Ric_ · 24-05-2006, 09:14 PM

If you use servers that are bigger than 1u, you can reduce noise too - bigger fans spin slower to move the same amount of air.

APC also do a similar system to that mentioned by Pete. I use a basic APC rack and the build quality is superb - plus it looks nice!

daveyboy · 25-05-2006, 06:48 AM

http://www.comms-express.co.uk/

alan-d · 25-05-2006, 07:17 AM

It has to be soundproofed because the location of the servers is also the IT office where 3 technicians work.

Air con is installed & works fine, but over the years the number of servers has increased and the noise level, although just within H&S regs is constant and causing discomfort to the technicians.

We either have to put the servers in a soundproof cabinet or move them to the other side of the school after converting a very small store cupboard. At the moment the cost of a cabinet is cheaper than converting the storeroom (ie electrics, air con, cabling etc).

Oh by the way H&S also say that if we cannot do either of the above, we can issue ear defenders to those working in the office! You can imagine my response to that one!

DMcCoy · 25-05-2006, 07:29 AM

I share my office with the servers, but there is a partition in the middle of the ofice, It is mostly made of acoustic glass doors (so I can get the racks in and out and see the server status lights). While not perfect, it does cut out a large amout of the noise.

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24-05-2006, 08:33 AM	#1
alan-d Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sutton Coldfield Posts: 1,274 Thanks: 22 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts Rep Power: 13	SERVER CABINETS Finally I've been given the go-ahead to price up some silent server cabinets. Any recommendations for suppliers who also install as it's not a straight forward 'stick it up against a wall' solution. Note - normal cabinets are of no use - it has to be as sound proof as possible.

24-05-2006, 08:51 AM	#2
Nij.UK Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 346 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: SERVER CABINETS we use a company called Ralco McNeils... they are very good with that kinda stuff, they are based in leicestershire..... PM me if you want there contact details

24-05-2006, 08:54 AM	#3
russdev Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 5,225 Thanks: 34 Thanked 85 Times in 60 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: SERVER CABINETS See later thread as have changed my mind about the supplier russ

24-05-2006, 08:59 AM	#4
alan-d Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sutton Coldfield Posts: 1,274 Thanks: 22 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts Rep Power: 13	Re: SERVER CABINETS Do they have a web addy?

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24-05-2006, 09:46 AM	#5
plexer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norfolk Posts: 4,283 Thanks: 30 Thanked 102 Times in 101 Posts Rep Power: 33	Re: SERVER CABINETS kellsystems: www.kellsystems.co.uk any good? advert on the back of IT Week this week. Ben

24-05-2006, 10:25 AM	#7
DMcCoy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Isle of Wight Posts: 1,959 Thanks: 2 Thanked 123 Times in 113 Posts Rep Power: 32	Re: SERVER CABINETS Erm, they are only 800mm deep btw. I have servers and ups here that wouldn't fit in that as they require 1000mm deep cabinets. Just something to keep an eye out for. Ah, some of the ones on the keystone page are 1m deep Although isn't a quiet server an oxymoron?

24-05-2006, 06:08 PM	#8
Ric_ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lancashire Posts: 5,582 Thanks: 30 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts Rep Power: 44	Re: SERVER CABINETS Just intrigued really but why silent? Silent tends to go hand-in-hand with insulation which goes hand-in-hand with immense heat build up. My server room is noisy as hell and it leads off the bursars' office. They weren't impressed with the noise! A joiner came in and mounted a shed-load of rockwool insulation in a MDF casing on the back of the door. He also put beading around the inside of the door frame. Made a world of difference!

24-05-2006, 06:31 PM	#9
Norphy Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable Posts: 1,032 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: SERVER CABINETS I was wondering the same although considering how the two 1U servers we've just installed drown out the other 12 servers in the room its something I'd like to have

24-05-2006, 07:51 PM	#10
pete Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In the server room, with the lead pipe. Posts: 1,044 Thanks: 26 Thanked 36 Times in 25 Posts Rep Power: 15	Re: SERVER CABINETS Do you need sound-proof or do you just need to baffle the sound? i.e. are these cabinets "on display" / where someone works or tucked away in the server room? IIRC blackbox have a setup that dumps sound and heat into a central "corridor" that is then baffled and dumped out by fans. Yes it probably does cost the earth. Ascii diagram from memory..... Code: Fans pulling air \|Corridor \| Air --> Cabinet01 --> heat & noise --> \| \| Air --> Cabinet02 --> heat & noise --> \| \| Air --> Cabinet03 --> heat & noise --> \| \| Check with server vendors to see whether they do quieter fans or if they have an authorised supplier of same. The main source of noise in my server room is the switch rack, the servers (poweredges, proliant and a couple of custom jobs) are pretty quiet.

24-05-2006, 08:39 PM	#11
E1uSiV3 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 495 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: SERVER CABINETS One of the best ways of shutting up a server room is to cool it first, all of the fans make considerably less noise when running at 1000RPM compared to the speed they will run at when overheating. The added bonus is your fans will also last much alonger, along with your HDDs and most other components. (plus its great in summer and you can recoup the costs by charging by the minute for people to go cool off in there )

24-05-2006, 09:14 PM	#12
Ric_ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lancashire Posts: 5,582 Thanks: 30 Thanked 152 Times in 133 Posts Rep Power: 44	Re: SERVER CABINETS If you use servers that are bigger than 1u, you can reduce noise too - bigger fans spin slower to move the same amount of air. APC also do a similar system to that mentioned by Pete. I use a basic APC rack and the build quality is superb - plus it looks nice!

25-05-2006, 06:48 AM	#13
daveyboy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bath / Bristol Posts: 163 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Rep Power: 8	Re: SERVER CABINETS http://www.comms-express.co.uk/

25-05-2006, 07:17 AM	#14
alan-d Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sutton Coldfield Posts: 1,274 Thanks: 22 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts Rep Power: 13	Re: SERVER CABINETS It has to be soundproofed because the location of the servers is also the IT office where 3 technicians work. Air con is installed & works fine, but over the years the number of servers has increased and the noise level, although just within H&S regs is constant and causing discomfort to the technicians. We either have to put the servers in a soundproof cabinet or move them to the other side of the school after converting a very small store cupboard. At the moment the cost of a cabinet is cheaper than converting the storeroom (ie electrics, air con, cabling etc). Oh by the way H&S also say that if we cannot do either of the above, we can issue ear defenders to those working in the office! You can imagine my response to that one!

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25-05-2006, 07:29 AM	#15
DMcCoy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Isle of Wight Posts: 1,959 Thanks: 2 Thanked 123 Times in 113 Posts Rep Power: 32	Re: SERVER CABINETS I share my office with the servers, but there is a partition in the middle of the ofice, It is mostly made of acoustic glass doors (so I can get the racks in and out and see the server status lights). While not perfect, it does cut out a large amout of the noise.

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