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    after our local security firm told her that IP CCTV cameras were unreliable and whenever a server went down, we'd lose CCTV.
    The same would happen if the DVR they installed failed or had a HDD problem (alot of them don't run any kind of RAID so if you loose a HDD you loose a chunk of video or the unit will just stop working). Alot of security firms are stuck in thier ways and will always prefer to fit a DVR or god forbid a VCR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighter2001 View Post
    I have recently used the D-Link setup with the D-ViewCam software for a restaurant/bar/dining hall.
    Just bare in mind not all DLink camers use the same software.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterW View Post
    The same would happen if the DVR they installed failed or had a HDD problem (alot of them don't run any kind of RAID so if you loose a HDD you loose a chunk of video or the unit will just stop working). Alot of security firms are stuck in thier ways and will always prefer to fit a DVR or god forbid a VCR.
    Yup. Doesn't matter what I say though, as A Decree Has Been Made.

    Quote Originally Posted by K.C.Leblanc View Post
    Just bare in mind not all DLink camers use the same software.
    I wouldn't touch D-Link with a barge pole anyway... Once stung, twice shy.

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    Yup. Doesn't matter what I say though, as A Decree Has Been Made.
    At least you may have the opportunity to say I told you so

    If possible try and make sure they select a decent DVR, a difference of a few hundred pounds can be the difference between a shocker and something acceptable. Things to look out for are how easy it is to backup footage, how good the network client software is. Also preferably make sure you can play back all channels at once.

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    Thats a shame your manager is being short sighted!

    Nearly all IP cameras can be powered via POE so possible to even keep up during a power cut or at least have a specified period of uptime.
    The traditional security companies are scared of touching networks and dont undersatnd IP so this is how i found them protecting their business. They need to wake up this will only be a short term fix for them.

    IP cameras can be purchase in an array of resolutions far superior to analogue the only real issue here is bandwidth and storage.

    I think the price you have of 800 to 1000 per channel/camera would stay the same possible more with some of the higher resolution kit. But with this you would get far more storage 3Tb + and not some DVR with 500gb recording in CIF (352 x 288) Also another consideration would be analytics, maybe not being taken up in all business sectors due to cost but you are finding that the IP Camera makers are begining to incorperate some analytics in to their cameras. Analogue just can not do this with out being very, very expensive and is normally only achieved on a % of the camera network.

    Maybe next time the analogue system falls over or footage rendered unacceptable due to quality the powers to be will think again!

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    Oh, the £800 - £1000 per camera is just for the camera and cable, and doesn't include the DVR's, which we already have (which were a couple of grand each IIRC), so adds another £125ish to each channel cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Yup. Doesn't matter what I say though, as A Decree Has Been Made.
    That must be very frustrating!

    Especially when there is actually so little logic to the decision reached.

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    Originally the school wouldn't entertain CCTV, they got in a firm which proposed analogue with the result that the cost was too much.

    However because we were getting a lot of vandalism in computer rooms I bought a package from RM of 4 Axis cameras and Milestone software. We are now running 12 Axis 210 camers using the Milestone software (Milestone - The Open Platform IP Video Software - Home). We are really happy with the system and it's very easy to use. Any software problems we have had have been dealt by the Milestone guys without any fuss.

    We have had some filestore and performance problems, but we bought one of those HP Proliant ML115 with dual processor and attached an external hard drive for archiving images and all now is OK. We run the cameras from 0830 to 1630 5 days a week. A typical days archive is about 5 Gb per camera.

    In the meantime the school finally got a CCTV system (analogue). I have little to do with it. It has a web interface which is rubbish. It crashes more often than not simply by changing the number of cameras being displayed, and it's capture of images is really clunky. It uses Dedicated Micros servers and NetVu Observer is the rubbishy web interface.

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    I know it's to late but here we have installed and run a 25 camera system

    1 x entry level HP rack mount server with 1T storage
    25 x IP cameras mix of AXIS and Panasonic all work well
    Milestone Systems XProtect Recording software
    Milestone XProtect Smart Client - live desktop monitor of all cameras on system


    The server has now been running for 18months with zero downtime
    Recording software archives and clears disk space
    easy access to recorded footage through Smart Client
    Our analogue system is now there for show only.

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    darkest star you are an example to all who follow you as IP CCTV pioneers - and you make it sound so simple!

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    Thumbs up Have a look at Mobotix

    http://www.mobotix.com/eng_GB/

    Seem very intresting. They make 'smart' IP cameras, all s/w is onboard, they monitor for motion themselves, and only upload data when triggered. They can use onboard SD cards, so no need to even have a server, but just give them a share name & login info and they'll dump data as required. I like the idea that they save a lot of bandwidth since they only transfer what is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by use-IP View Post
    darkest star you are an example to all who follow you as IP CCTV pioneers - and you make it sound so simple!

    Ha Ha

    It must be simple I managed it LOL

    we have spent money buying good cameras and a good server running over a proven backbone

    we are also using pro software which helps

    everything else must be sheer luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by use-IP View Post
    Especially when there is actually so little logic to the decision reached.
    Welcome to the public sector. You can never waste too much money

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