Recommend a 42U rack

kesomir · 13-08-2008, 10:02 PM

I'm looking to buy a rack with a bunch of rack mount stuff (dell mostleh)

Ceiling is very tall and want expansion possibility so thought I'd go 42U, despite it being overkill at this stage -> only have about 11U worth of kit to go in it and the hp switches are staying in another rack in another room. I'm moving the servers over to rackmounts now to save on space and keep things nice and accessible.

What rack would you recommend - I hear the dell ones are quite expensive - any reason for it?

Seen them from £500 and up (non dell), budgeted for ~600 but that's much lower than dell price I think.

Air con is in the old comms room, new comms room has no air con, but has a very tall ceiling (edwardian building that used to be a library, so v.v.tall) with 2 vents towards top (one through wall, other out window) so I think it should be ok for cooling as we move further from the 2 weeks of summer this year.

May put an air con unit in there later on, so perforated rather than sealed in my mind.

Suggestions? Comments?

ChrisH · 13-08-2008, 10:13 PM

I just bought a rack from First Technologies. It is just a basic rack with no sides or door which is fine as it is in it's own room and the servers get plenty of ventilation

afaik it was less than £200.

DMcCoy · 13-08-2008, 10:29 PM

I like these HP.com - HP 10000 G2 Series Rack - Overview & Features

Got 3 (plus side doors) and 1 Dell 42u.

Cheap is not a word that you can apply to them however.

mattx · 13-08-2008, 10:30 PM

Avoid Prism racks - they are complete and utter crap.

kesomir · 13-08-2008, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMcCoy

I like these HP.com - HP 10000 G2 Series Rack - Overview & Features

Got 3 (plus side doors) and 1 Dell 42u.

Cheap is not a word that you can apply to them however.

HP Universal Rack 10642 G2 Pallet:
dabs.com - HP Universal Rack 10642 G2 Pallet (AF001A)

Is this compatable with the dell rails?

DMcCoy · 13-08-2008, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kesomir

HP Universal Rack 10642 G2 Pallet:
dabs.com - HP Universal Rack 10642 G2 Pallet (AF001A)

Is this compatable with the dell rails?

I should think so, I may have to have a look at the two tomorrow now!

I've never seen anything specific about the dell though. Well, it has a Dell logo on the front

Mostly it's just the rails for a specific server, and usually they will fit in any 1m deep rack.

Edit: Do note that the side panels cost an extra £200 for the HP!

john · 13-08-2008, 11:36 PM

I use these - Mills Ltd - cable management and specialist tooling for the communications industry Great Racks, and good value. Don't forget to order a plinth or Heavy Duty Castors, the ones they come with are Travel ones so are like what you see on little trolleys not designed for the weight that is in your server cabinet.

kesomir · 13-08-2008, 11:36 PM

I think i read something about square holes or somesuch

john · 14-08-2008, 12:03 AM

Dell Rails I thought were a bit funny but not owning any I cannot check myself, the thing with the Mills racks are they are designed to be generic and take anything unlike HP specific racks.

torledo · 14-08-2008, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kesomir

I think i read something about square holes or somesuch

we've installed dell rapid rails in a hp rack without bother....if your unsure, check the install guide of the rails....i'm pretty confident there wouldn't be any dell rails not compatible with standards-compliant 3rd party racks....dell server racks themselves are all square holes. The only round hole racks you'll see will be 2-post telco racks.

I would advise against going for those mills racks that john uses, judging by the picture the front door is not even 10% perforated. Glass doors are not good for airflow.....unless you want to take the door off, but then why spend 500 quid on a rack only to take the doors off.

At 11u of kit at the moment airflow and cooling may not be a huge concern but will become so once you start filling it up.

jack0w · 14-08-2008, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMcCoy

I like these HP.com - HP 10000 G2 Series Rack - Overview & Features

Got 3 (plus side doors) and 1 Dell 42u.

Cheap is not a word that you can apply to them however.

I'll second that, we have two of these joined together in our server room, looks dead smart

ChrisH · 14-08-2008, 08:49 AM

You can get alternate rail sets for Dell servers. I have a few Dell servers and I have 2 sets of rails for each now.

CyberNerd · 14-08-2008, 08:52 AM

CMS have lots of racks, I don't recall which one we bought though.
CMS: The online YELLOW Book

kesomir · 14-08-2008, 11:14 AM

It's looking likely I'll be going for a:

DELL 4210 42U Includes Doors, Side Panels, Ground Ship Packing and Service

despite liking the look of the HP unit, I can get this a bit cheaper and no qualms regarding the equipment going in with the dell type rails specced on the gear.

Anyone got these that can say anything about them?

ChrisP · 14-08-2008, 01:53 PM

bought our 3rd rack last year, an APC Netshelter and i love it.

APC - NetShelter VX Enclosures - Product Information

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kesomir Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London Posts: 180 Thanks: 9 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts Rep Power: 4	Recommend a 42U rack I'm looking to buy a rack with a bunch of rack mount stuff (dell mostleh) Ceiling is very tall and want expansion possibility so thought I'd go 42U, despite it being overkill at this stage -> only have about 11U worth of kit to go in it and the hp switches are staying in another rack in another room. I'm moving the servers over to rackmounts now to save on space and keep things nice and accessible. What rack would you recommend - I hear the dell ones are quite expensive - any reason for it? Seen them from £500 and up (non dell), budgeted for ~600 but that's much lower than dell price I think. Air con is in the old comms room, new comms room has no air con, but has a very tall ceiling (edwardian building that used to be a library, so v.v.tall) with 2 vents towards top (one through wall, other out window) so I think it should be ok for cooling as we move further from the 2 weeks of summer this year. May put an air con unit in there later on, so perforated rather than sealed in my mind. Suggestions? Comments?

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Recommend a 42U rack

13-08-2008, 10:13 PM	#2
ChrisH Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Lancs Posts: 3,906 Thanks: 2 Thanked 35 Times in 29 Posts Rep Power: 20	I just bought a rack from First Technologies. It is just a basic rack with no sides or door which is fine as it is in it's own room and the servers get plenty of ventilation afaik it was less than £200.

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DMcCoy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Isle of Wight Posts: 1,916 Thanks: 2 Thanked 114 Times in 104 Posts Rep Power: 30	I like these HP.com - HP 10000 G2 Series Rack - Overview & Features Got 3 (plus side doors) and 1 Dell 42u. Cheap is not a word that you can apply to them however.

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mattx Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,223 Thanks: 14 Thanked 79 Times in 61 Posts Rep Power: 26	Avoid Prism racks - they are complete and utter crap.

13-08-2008, 11:36 PM	#7
john Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern England Posts: 4,307 Thanks: 86 Thanked 50 Times in 45 Posts Rep Power: 24	I use these - Mills Ltd - cable management and specialist tooling for the communications industry Great Racks, and good value. Don't forget to order a plinth or Heavy Duty Castors, the ones they come with are Travel ones so are like what you see on little trolleys not designed for the weight that is in your server cabinet.

14-08-2008, 12:03 AM	#9
john Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern England Posts: 4,307 Thanks: 86 Thanked 50 Times in 45 Posts Rep Power: 24	Dell Rails I thought were a bit funny but not owning any I cannot check myself, the thing with the Mills racks are they are designed to be generic and take anything unlike HP specific racks.

14-08-2008, 08:49 AM	#12
ChrisH Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Lancs Posts: 3,906 Thanks: 2 Thanked 35 Times in 29 Posts Rep Power: 20	You can get alternate rail sets for Dell servers. I have a few Dell servers and I have 2 sets of rails for each now.

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CyberNerd Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,367 Thanks: 46 Thanked 140 Times in 114 Posts Rep Power: 37	CMS have lots of racks, I don't recall which one we bought though. CMS: The online YELLOW Book

14-08-2008, 11:14 AM	#14
kesomir Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London Posts: 180 Thanks: 9 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts Rep Power: 4	It's looking likely I'll be going for a: DELL 4210 42U Includes Doors, Side Panels, Ground Ship Packing and Service despite liking the look of the HP unit, I can get this a bit cheaper and no qualms regarding the equipment going in with the dell type rails specced on the gear. Anyone got these that can say anything about them?

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ChrisP Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: norfolk Posts: 115 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	bought our 3rd rack last year, an APC Netshelter and i love it. APC - NetShelter VX Enclosures - Product Information

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