Antistatic precautions in the classroom...

Cobalt · 13-08-2008, 08:48 AM

Hi,

I've read a previous thread here on antistatic precautions though it didn't fully answer my question, so, here goes...

In September we're doing AS Level Applied ICT at Key Stage 4 for those students who did well at GCSE ICT in Year 9 last year. Though it's only expected that the single award will be completed within the 2 years, the teacher is keen to do an additional module from the double award which is building PC's, mainly as we think that the students will enjoy it and will probably get more from it than sitting looking at pictures of hardware in a textbook. Since I'm the IT Technician/Curriculum Support Assistant for ICT that suits me down to the ground, which - on an unfortunate and entirely unintended pun - leads me to my next question: Antistatic.

Personally, I'm happy to leave the case plugged into the wall albeit switched off and touch the bare metal of the case now and again. However, we're not sure - and seemingly nobody else is - what we can do in terms of letting students do. My original intention was to buy antistatic mats and wristbands with crocodile clips, using the case chassis (plugged in but switched off at the main) as an earthing point as this is relatively inexpensive and will more than do the job, even with clumsy hands grasping RAM like some sort of light sabre...

Are we alright to let kids work on machines that are plugged in or are we better off buying the plugs for antistatic kit with just an earth pin and leaving the cases unplugged entirely?

I'm pretty confident the former is safe enough though naturally I'd just be happier if I'd heard what one or two other schools did, especially if there's any sort of legal/health and safety issues involved. I guess we could get all their parents to sign a disclaimer...

Thanks very much in advance,
John

EduTech · 13-08-2008, 08:57 AM

Personally, i think you will have to buy anti-static Wrist Straps and Mats.. and the machines must be turned OFF!

even though i do it every now and again.. i bet that you have to take the right precautions when the kids mess with them.

unfortunatly i lack the expeirience of doing this with the kids.. but i am pretty sure thats how it is

i am sure some nice person will come and tell me if i am wrong..

James.

Cobalt · 13-08-2008, 09:01 AM

Thanks for the reply - The machines will of course be switched off at the wall - it was whether or not we are allowed to leave them plugged in for earthing purposes or not that we're not sure about. As I said, my initial idea was to get mats and wriststraps with crocodile clips and use the bare metal chassis since they should learn how to do it "properly" anyway, I was just seeing if we could avoid buying the plugs with earthing points on them or not seeing as they just about double the cost of the kit per student!

Cheers,
John

EduTech · 13-08-2008, 09:04 AM

Yh i pretty sure its a definite no as to leaving them on tbh..

they might blow them selves up.. they always find away to do those kind of things lol

russdev · 13-08-2008, 09:08 AM

I wouldn't leave them plugged in even if they are off on the wall it only takes one fault or even one student to turn it on by accident and you will have load of mess on your hands.

I don't even leave them plugged in when I work ok computers if I can help it.

Russ

Cobalt · 13-08-2008, 09:44 AM

Thanks for the input guys, looks like ESD Service Kits and Earth Bonding Plugs all round. Better to be safe than sorry

John

Andrew_C · 13-08-2008, 10:18 AM

The best answer is the proper tools, as always. They incorporate a 1M resistor in the earth connection to give protection in the event of (an unlikely) fault elsewhere.
In practical terms, if you are working on a PC away from your anti-static kit, plugged in and switched off is next best. The chassis will then dissipate any accumulated charge from your plastic soled shoes, and that nasty nylon carpet.

JOrdan01070 · 13-08-2008, 10:31 AM

how about this abit pricey but will do what you want.
doy=searchField Service Engineer?s Kit > Maplin

Cobalt · 13-08-2008, 11:25 AM

Thanks for the link - I think we're going to go with the kit from Rapid Electronics which is almost identical apart from the lack of a plug and carry pouch. I believe they were about £25 for a mat, wriststrap and cables and another £5 or so for an Earth Bonding Plug which is cheaper than elsewhere so we're talking about £30 a student which isn't all that bad.

We'll only be doing this in groups of three so one kit each plus one for the demonstrator (since I suppose I'd best appear to be doing things by the book as well!) comes to around £120 and I think that even qualifies for free delivery.

Not bad at all - Thanks very much for everyone's help, that's another job ticked off the list for the summer.

John

Oops_my_bad · 13-08-2008, 07:56 PM

Just say it sounds like a H+S nightmare and there's no way it could be pulled off safely

Andrew_C · 13-08-2008, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oops_my_bad

Just say it sounds like a H+S nightmare and there's no way it could be pulled off safely

Why ever not? It is quite "safe" for the user to have a PC open and work on it. Not quite so safe for the PC though...

FN-GM · 13-08-2008, 08:08 PM

abit off topic who actually uses an anti-static strap and mat at work?

kesomir · 13-08-2008, 08:26 PM

not me mostleh - I touch either the grounded case or a radiator.

I do have a wrist strap somewhere, but when used, I crock clip to metal in the case :P

Andrew_C · 14-08-2008, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FN-Greatermanchester

abit off topic who actually uses an anti-static strap and mat at work?

Depends. One off memory swap type job, then just touching the case. If I was doing a lot of work on static sensitive stuff or on something odd (like the theatre lighting desk last week) then yes, I do get the kit out.

j17sparky · 14-08-2008, 09:58 AM

What about if you opened up the plugs and physically disconnected the live and neutral wires? or even just removed the plugs? These cables would obviously need to be well labeled!!

Personally i wouldnt have them plugged in as there is far too much potential for tears. We just used old PCs which were ready for the skip so we didnt bother with static .

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Cobalt Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Antistatic precautions in the classroom... Hi, I've read a previous thread here on antistatic precautions though it didn't fully answer my question, so, here goes... In September we're doing AS Level Applied ICT at Key Stage 4 for those students who did well at GCSE ICT in Year 9 last year. Though it's only expected that the single award will be completed within the 2 years, the teacher is keen to do an additional module from the double award which is building PC's, mainly as we think that the students will enjoy it and will probably get more from it than sitting looking at pictures of hardware in a textbook. Since I'm the IT Technician/Curriculum Support Assistant for ICT that suits me down to the ground, which - on an unfortunate and entirely unintended pun - leads me to my next question: Antistatic. Personally, I'm happy to leave the case plugged into the wall albeit switched off and touch the bare metal of the case now and again. However, we're not sure - and seemingly nobody else is - what we can do in terms of letting students do. My original intention was to buy antistatic mats and wristbands with crocodile clips, using the case chassis (plugged in but switched off at the main) as an earthing point as this is relatively inexpensive and will more than do the job, even with clumsy hands grasping RAM like some sort of light sabre... Are we alright to let kids work on machines that are plugged in or are we better off buying the plugs for antistatic kit with just an earth pin and leaving the cases unplugged entirely? I'm pretty confident the former is safe enough though naturally I'd just be happier if I'd heard what one or two other schools did, especially if there's any sort of legal/health and safety issues involved. I guess we could get all their parents to sign a disclaimer... Thanks very much in advance, John

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13-08-2008, 08:57 AM	#2
EduTech Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 967 Thanks: 19 Thanked 32 Times in 29 Posts Rep Power: 11	Personally, i think you will have to buy anti-static Wrist Straps and Mats.. and the machines must be turned OFF! even though i do it every now and again.. i bet that you have to take the right precautions when the kids mess with them. unfortunatly i lack the expeirience of doing this with the kids.. but i am pretty sure thats how it is i am sure some nice person will come and tell me if i am wrong.. James.

13-08-2008, 09:01 AM	#3
Cobalt Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the reply - The machines will of course be switched off at the wall - it was whether or not we are allowed to leave them plugged in for earthing purposes or not that we're not sure about. As I said, my initial idea was to get mats and wriststraps with crocodile clips and use the bare metal chassis since they should learn how to do it "properly" anyway, I was just seeing if we could avoid buying the plugs with earthing points on them or not seeing as they just about double the cost of the kit per student! Cheers, John

13-08-2008, 09:04 AM	#4
EduTech Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 967 Thanks: 19 Thanked 32 Times in 29 Posts Rep Power: 11	Yh i pretty sure its a definite no as to leaving them on tbh.. they might blow them selves up.. they always find away to do those kind of things lol

13-08-2008, 09:08 AM	#5
russdev Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 5,146 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 55 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 32	I wouldn't leave them plugged in even if they are off on the wall it only takes one fault or even one student to turn it on by accident and you will have load of mess on your hands. I don't even leave them plugged in when I work ok computers if I can help it. Russ

13-08-2008, 09:44 AM	#6
Cobalt Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the input guys, looks like ESD Service Kits and Earth Bonding Plugs all round. Better to be safe than sorry John

13-08-2008, 10:18 AM	#7
Andrew_C Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Winchester Posts: 837 Thanks: 3 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts Rep Power: 11	The best answer is the proper tools, as always. They incorporate a 1M resistor in the earth connection to give protection in the event of (an unlikely) fault elsewhere. In practical terms, if you are working on a PC away from your anti-static kit, plugged in and switched off is next best. The chassis will then dissipate any accumulated charge from your plastic soled shoes, and that nasty nylon carpet.

13-08-2008, 10:31 AM	#8
JOrdan01070 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 45 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	how about this abit pricey but will do what you want. doy=searchField Service Engineer?s Kit > Maplin

13-08-2008, 11:25 AM	#9
Cobalt Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the link - I think we're going to go with the kit from Rapid Electronics which is almost identical apart from the lack of a plug and carry pouch. I believe they were about £25 for a mat, wriststrap and cables and another £5 or so for an Earth Bonding Plug which is cheaper than elsewhere so we're talking about £30 a student which isn't all that bad. We'll only be doing this in groups of three so one kit each plus one for the demonstrator (since I suppose I'd best appear to be doing things by the book as well!) comes to around £120 and I think that even qualifies for free delivery. Not bad at all - Thanks very much for everyone's help, that's another job ticked off the list for the summer. John

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FN-GM Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rochdale, Lancashire Posts: 4,893 Thanks: 157 Thanked 161 Times in 155 Posts Rep Power: 38	abit off topic who actually uses an anti-static strap and mat at work?

13-08-2008, 08:26 PM	#13
kesomir Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London Posts: 180 Thanks: 9 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts Rep Power: 4	not me mostleh - I touch either the grounded case or a radiator. I do have a wrist strap somewhere, but when used, I crock clip to metal in the case :P

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j17sparky Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Teesside, England Posts: 1,194 Thanks: 11 Thanked 30 Times in 24 Posts Rep Power: 13	What about if you opened up the plugs and physically disconnected the live and neutral wires? or even just removed the plugs? These cables would obviously need to be well labeled!! Personally i wouldnt have them plugged in as there is far too much potential for tears. We just used old PCs which were ready for the skip so we didnt bother with static .

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