Bluetooth, did M$ come back to you yet....? Another 650 boxes shipped this month all with 1 copy of XP guys.
All very well shipping 650 boxes per month - not going to be much use is MS say it's illegal and you have to un-ship them!
Butuz, who are M$ to make the law!? You're right though, UK penetration is getting higher daily. After meeting with John Suffolk the Government CIO yesterday, we've got their support & have taken legal advice ourselves already so are confident in our offering. That's not to say it'd be a nice thing for M$ to come out one way or another to appease the most important side of the equation which are the customes. Our stance is 1 copy of the OS, and 1 per seat of application software. In wales I think SoftXpand has been rebranded as "Hydra"?
Also EULA it self would not come under criminal law. You bought a copy of Windows, so it's not piracy/theft. If M$ were truely unhappy they'd have to take you to a civil court. As far as I'm aware this has never been done. It's very similar to the who hackintosh scene. Apple EULA states 'only on Apple hardware'. A case is going through in the states against Psystar to test this. A separate case would need to be brought over here to test the 'legality' of the EULA in our courts.
Something tells me that M$ are unlikely to bring civil action against any school any time soon for using SoftXpand. Can you imagine the publicity.
As far as I'm concerned I'm happy using this until either M$ threaten us directly with the lawyers or a test case is brought against another SoftXpand end user and the complaint is held up by the courts.
So long as you have your licenses covered I can't see the problem in using this. As far as I can tell the Window Enterprise Edition will cover upto 5 licenses.
Cheers David, thanks Terry. I'd be gutted if the worst case scenario happened but legally we've secured the argument, now it's time to cover our end users.
tmcd35 (18th June 2009)
For the 6 user system you'd need to buy a second Business OEM and second Enterperise Edition license anyway. Thus covering you for up to 8 machines.
If you are right then a 5 user, and possibly 6 user, machine would be quite expensive and not very cost effective.
Maybe a 1:4 ratio is ideal?
Yes MS have come back to me today. I spoke with Alfie again in Microsofts UK Licensing team, however everything that he said is unofficial.
Basically what was said that it had gone away to "RMT"(Who?) for a decision regarding miniframe, they had come back with an incorect response that it should have server licences and cals etc, they sent back the right info stating that it was not a server OS and such and thus they needed to re evluate, the licensing team are still waiting for an OFFICIAL response from them, however the UK licensing team got together and are advising the following:
For however many systems etc you are using through miniframe you should have 1x CoA. So 1 miniframe with 6 useable systems means you have to have 6 CoAs. This is not an official response and cannot be quoted as such but this is what the UK licensing team are currently adivising that everyone does.
I asked for an ETA from RMT however Alfie said that he will be contacting them to push them along or receive the answer tuesday and he will contact me either tuesday or deffinitely on the wednesday next week.
Thats all i have guys, please dont quote anything as i have mentioned several times, its all unofficial at the moment but it is sound advice.
dhicks (1st July 2009)
That's kind of what we expected as it's the same answer we've been getting. For some reason there is never an official response, so we maintain the 1 copy of XP.
SoftXpand 3 is in the office being tested to billy O right now and it looks like we'll release before Windows 7 which is a shame...... or is it? It may give them the chance to complete their EULA.?
We've just announced a partnership with NetOp. Do any of you guys use that? It's a bit of a coup as some of our competitors wanted it but we got chosen which keeps the momentum. Items
Anyone worked out what RMT is yet?
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