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    HP Printers : Bargain!

    Just thought I'd post this one up...



    HP Store for Business section - HP Officejet Pro Color Printer series

    Notice the slight error on the K8600dn vs' the K8600?

    ... and those prices are already 100 off the RRP so if you're thinking about it, now is a good time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by contink View Post
    Notice the slight error on the K8600dn vs' the K8600?
    I thought they had pricing like that a couple of months ago on their main page, thought I'd maybe imagined it...

    Do you do continuous ink systems for the K8600dn, then? If so, how much for (and how much is the ink?)? Also, I don't suppose you know if they have a straight-through paper path that will take card and whatnot, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    I thought they had pricing like that a couple of months ago on their main page, thought I'd maybe imagined it...
    Well if they did I missed it completely which would have been frustrating as I was somewhat desperate to get one at that point.

    Do you do continuous ink systems for the K8600dn, then? If so, how much for (and how much is the ink?)? Also, I don't suppose you know if they have a straight-through paper path that will take card and whatnot, do you?
    Well, I've now ordered a couple of those units so once that arrives I'll be in a position to resolve the last two parts of the puzzle ie:
    - how and where to mount the container for the ink to sit in.
    - whether existing ARC's (Auto reset chips) will work with this model.
    The kits themselves are designed, ready to go and I've resolved pretty much all of the issues so I could send one out pretty much immediately with a temporary mounting so you could have a test. I'd recommend waiting until I've done some tests myself though.

    Price wise, I've worked it out to be 150 for the unit + P&P, Ink refills would be around:
    - 21.50 (250ml Black)
    - 16.50 (250ml Cyan, Magenta or Yellow)
    and larger bulk amounts get a slight discount on that (plus P&P)

    Edit: I'm aware that compared to many ebay style CIS kits that's quite steep but just to note:
    - 600ml more ink (150% more than ebay kits)
    - designed specifically for school environments
    - uses HP safety features built into the cartridges instead of the "workarounds" all other kits use (which tends to knacker printheads)

    Rather than repeat myself though, I've been working hard on the site for all my stuff using Joomla (which is somewhat challenging) so you could get more info on how it works, images (for the L7680 only at the mo'), etc... here:
    HP L7000 bottle kit

    (and yes the site is a bit erm "basic" and long-winded at the moment - I tend to use 15 words when one will do ) - feedback welcome btw..


    As to the question re: straight through... I honestly don't know. Until now I've been desperately trying to find anyone with a K8600 who could help me with the dimensions so I could finish off a kit. My guess however is that it won't be a straight through as it looks tray fed. I'd imagine your highest paper weight will be around 120 - 160gsm (excluding photo-paper which tends to be around 80-100gsm heavier for the same thickness)

    I'll see if I can find out more though...
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    So do you CIS Rigid Systems work on all HP Business Inkjets, then - could I attach one to our HP Business Inkjet 2800?

    I'd imagine your highest paper weight will be around 120 - 160gsm (excluding photo-paper which tends to be around 80-100gsm heavier for the same thickness)
    Thanks, good to know. I'm actually thinking of a unit for home (but maybe kept at school - charge them per print!). I'd like something that can do perforated card for folding, so I was maybe thinking of some kind of cheap vinyl cutter to go with the printer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    So do you CIS Rigid Systems work on all HP Business Inkjets, then - could I attach one to our HP Business Inkjet 2800?
    At the moment I'm a bit limited because most of my printers have been Canon or Epsons. I started down the HP route about 18 months ago and thus missed out on the older models such as the BIJ 2230, 1100, etc... I do have a 2230 sat here at the moment which I'd done some testing on and found it would work perfectly if the printer itself didn't have a fault (LED has blown) so in theory it should work fine.

    Essentially the only limitation is that the container for the reservoirs has to be at least 2 cm's above the top of the cartridges to allow ink to flow from the bottles/reservoirs to the cartridges. Beyond that it doesn't really matter, it's just a matter of making sure you're not clumsy

    Most of the work I've done recently has been around making the whole thing as child proof as possible.

    Thanks, good to know. I'm actually thinking of a unit for home (but maybe kept at school - charge them per print!).
    Heh heh... Well you could potentially make a profit with one of these things. As it is the unit pays for itself within about a quarter of its ink being used up so you could be laughing


    I'd like something that can do perforated card for folding, so I was maybe thinking of some kind of cheap vinyl cutter to go with the printer.
    You'd probably be wise looking around and asking for advice on that from some of the printer forums as that sort of thing is somewhat specialist. Issues like paper feed, etc.. could get you unglued so it's worth taking the time with that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by contink View Post
    You'd probably be wise looking around and asking for advice on that from some of the printer forums as that sort of thing is somewhat specialist. Issues like paper feed, etc.. could get you unglued so it's worth taking the time with that one.
    I was thinking of something like a CraftMate 330 - looks to be perfect for cutting up card and so on. I'll have to investigate further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    I was thinking of something like a CraftMate 330 - looks to be perfect for cutting up card and so on. I'll have to investigate further.
    Didn't know those existed so I've learned something new today

    If you can avoid perforating before printing the HP should be ok... in truth though I've found very few inkjets up to the task of printing on card beyond 160gsm and even then they had to be rear loading (epson d88, canon pixma 4200, etc...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by contink View Post
    If you can avoid perforating before printing the HP should be ok... in truth though I've found very few inkjets up to the task of printing on card beyond 160gsm and even then they had to be rear loading (epson d88, canon pixma 4200, etc...)
    I was thinking of something that could create, if wanted, perforated cardboard nets of colour-printed models, ready to fold up into 3D models. I wonder if printing on to sticky label style paper first and then sticking to backing cardboard before cutting would work, or whether that would gum up the cutter?

    Thanks for the info on those other printers - time for a bit more of an investigate... I know I've seen printers very capable of this - I attended a printing industry trade show once and saw an inkjet capable of printing directly on to plywood. Bit outside my price range, that, though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    I was thinking of something that could create, if wanted, perforated cardboard nets of colour-printed models, ready to fold up into 3D models. I wonder if printing on to sticky label style paper first and then sticking to backing cardboard before cutting would work, or whether that would gum up the cutter?
    Your problem there is going to be finding sticky label paper that has a porous layer that can absorb the ink and that then tends to make them very easy to accept other dirt, grime, ink, etc... that you don't want..

    FWIW, I did get an iP4200 to accept nearly 350gsm card through the rear slot by using the shelf above it to apply some pressure to the card edge. This seemed to give it the necessary oomph to get it into the rollers and away. It seems the biggest problem was that the card wouldn't bend enough to reach the rollers normally so the extra pressure helped. Not too much mind and I wouldn't recommend it long term.

    Thanks for the info on those other printers - time for a bit more of an investigate... I know I've seen printers very capable of this - I attended a printing industry trade show once and saw an inkjet capable of printing directly on to plywood. Bit outside my price range, that, though!
    If you're really into that side of things then I think it wouldn't hurt you to look for contacts in the wide format printer market. You are looking at considerably higher printer and CIS costs BUT if you actually have a decent business plan you can find ink suppliers that won't cost the earth and more professional help than you get in the desktop markets.




    EDIT: I'm an idiot... total and utter numpty of the first water and this is probably not new...

    Ok.. I went and did a quick search for "Straight through Printers".. Up popped the K850 and then it dawned on me that the only HP printer that I've bought that didn't have the duplexer in it was a K550 and it never dawned on me for one cotton picking second that the slot in the back might actually be useful for something...

    Yes, that's right it seems there are some printers that will do this..

    The K8600 doesn't mention it and in truth I have my doubts there but the K850, BIJ 2800, and 1280 all show as having the capability.

    Search HP United Kingdom - Results - '"straight through" print'

    Hope that helps... (returns to wall to bash head)

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    Just to carry on the theme of straight through, the Deskjet 1220C has a straight through rear slot, but its very card fussy.

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    .. and just to add to it...

    I've just found a product demo and lo' there in the back of the K8600 is the straight through path for media.
    Max media weight = 286gsm.

    Not convinced it'll be available on the dn models I'm getting though so you probably want to go with the standard version if that takes your fancy.

    Right, enough!!!..

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    Quote Originally Posted by contink View Post
    I've just found a product demo and lo' there in the back of the K8600 is the straight through path for media.
    Max media weight = 286gsm. Not convinced it'll be available on the dn models I'm getting though so you probably want to go with the standard version if that takes your fancy.
    Could you let me know if the K8600dn looks like it can do straight-through if you've got a couple turning up soon? The specification sheet on the HP website seems to imply it can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    Could you let me know if the K8600dn looks like it can do straight-through if you've got a couple turning up soon? The specification sheet on the HP website seems to imply it can.
    I certainly have a look but from what I've seen so far I have my doubts.

    I checked my K550dtn and K5400dtn test units and tried to identify whether it would be possible to do a straight through. From what I can see the answer is no.

    Checking the paper source information in the printer preferences offers no straight through option so I did a quick remote check of the one K550 I have with no duplexer installed... Same there too...

    Having looked further though it does seem that the marketing spiel is forgetting one rather important thing. The straight through paper path still requires the rear panel to be fitted with either the standard panel or a duplexer. The former seems to be straight through capable while the duplexer isn't.

    The best evidence I could find to support this was this reference:
    http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...ctID=c00489735

    Look for the lines in the table where "Rear manual feed slot" is and compare it with "Duplex unit" underneath... If you remove the duplexer you get a warning until you replace it... So, in summary, it seems that HP have rather shot themselves in the foot by providing a DN model but without the implied straight through paper path.

    Having looked at their marketing information it would appear they imply it's possible throughout and thus confuse people completely.
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    Right - had a random HP reseller sales person phone up yesterday asking if we wanted to buy anything, so I took the opportunity to ask about the K8600dn. I didn't actually expect much by way of a useful reply back (I seem to get a remarkable number of sales people ring me up, try to flog me something, then never speak to me again after I ask them a few basic questions about how whatever it is works), but these people actually got someone to go and check a machine. I haven't actually bought anything off them yet, but from what I've seen of them so far I'd heartily recommend them :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nike Consultants Ltd
    With regards to your enquiry, if you buy the unit with duplex, you can snap it on & when you require you can put on your manual input tray; this takes about 30 seconds as we got someone to try it.

    You don't want to change the part constantly eg: hourly so if it is once a week that is fine (due to the plastic parts) So if you are changing a lot then it is advised to perhaps purchase another unit.

    Either the duplexer or the special media door can be placed on the Officejet Pro K8600 series at the one time So the customer can use one or the other but cannot have both 'options' enabled simultaneously.

    When you order the duplex version - it comes with everything - both the manual input tray and the duplexer which can be disengaged.

    So in short no problems - can do manual input for heavy card and also can do duplex when required for general office printing (which we actively encourage as it uses less electricity and paper).

    So there is no need to buy anything extra if you bought the D version.
    See .::Welcome To Nike Consultants::.

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    Ruddy heck... that IS good going... I'm glad I was sitting down when I read this lot... *stunned* is a good word for my reaction

    Mind you, a quick look at their site and it does look like it could use an update.. There's nothing on there about HP inkjets...

    Still n'all the information is worth it's weight in gold... Thanks Mr Hicks..much appreciated

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