My comment was more to highlight the idea that Apple won't make education based design decisions to the detriment of consumer based design decisions. So if you're buying Apple for school use you need to take their company philosophy into account. Not necerssarily a bad thing or a reason against iPads. I'm just not holding my breath for GPO-like levels of control over the devices outside of third party MDM's.
Last edited by seawolf; 6th March 2014 at 11:50 AM.
Sorry if I'm being a bit sarcastic here, but do you REALLY think that MS, Google, Apple or any other major IT company has the Education market as a real consideration when formulating business plans and product releases? Microsoft has traditionally had a more business focus, which translated well for education in many cases, but with the proliferation of "consumer" tech in business, MS has been trying with all it's might to win over the consumer (even considering offering Windows 8.1 for "free").
In many ways, by making OSX and iOS free as well as a load of iWork and iLife apps free for both OSX and iOS, as well as providing a VPP program (although still imperfect for sure, grrr), and creating the free iBooks Author app - Apple is trying harder in the Edu market than MS in recent years. In fact, Steve Jobs targeted the Education market even to his detriment both with Apple (early years) and with NextStep (take a look who their target market was - Universities).
No, I don't think ANY of the major IT companies really care that much about us in education. We just get the scraps from the table of the business and consumer markets...
From an education point of view, our needs more closely align with that of small-medium businesses than that of regular consumers. And, to Microsofts credit, they recognise that and actively market their products in a way that is appelling to this sectors (EES anyone?).
Makes our jobs all the more interesting, no?No, I don't think ANY of the major IT companies really care that much about us in education. We just get the scraps from the table of the business and consumer markets...
This came from Ruckus themselves at some of their training with one of the engineers who loves Apple stuff massively but told us that a large amount of extra effort was made to make iOS behave with the Ruckus system. So the Ruckus gear itself may be covering up for the ipads where as any issues with the RT are unlikely to be catered for yet.
They do have better antenna than some of the dirt cheap android stuff though and most of the chromebooks I have looked at are made from bargin bin components that are not spectacular.
A lot of this about the iPad WiFi is myth or was related to the original iPad. The original iPad 1 did have a pretty low transmit power to minimise battery drain and this did cause performance to suffer. Of course, every other tablet that appeared after the iPad either fared worse in this department or had absolutely horrible battery life. It's a fact of life that compromise is required in ultra-portable devices, although those compromises are becoming smaller with every technological leap.
With the later iPads though, this improved dramatically (even the iPad 2 is much better than then1), and the iPad Air is nearly as good as many laptops and better than some in the 5Ghz band.
p.s. Edugeek, you really need to fix this new App, it's way too crash happy. Had to write this twice
We had this debate last year, and ended up buying a mixture of iPads and Chromebooks. We also have a Windows 7 ict suite, so a full range of technologies mixed together.
It works very well. We used Google Docs already and that has increased since we got the Chromebooks. The staff and students are now very familiar with sharing documents with each other, and returning work via a shared document.
The chromebooks rarely cause me any grief beyond a forgotten password.
It did take us quite a few days to set them up, but I think this was due to something in school blocking them from registering with google. In the end I took them home, registered them all, and brought them back into school and have had no more issues with them at all.
You need to buy into the management console and then you can set up printers etc relatively easily, although we do more online and less printing than we did.
The iPads are a pain in the neck, but very popular with staff and students. I've tried Meraki and Lightspeed but we ended up buying a Mac Mini and managing them all using Apple Configurator. That works fine for us, as we only have one trolley full and I can connect the trolley to the Mac. It wouldn't work if you had 100s.
What about setup, purchasing and pushing apps, maintenance, security, storage and charging, existing files access, wireless infrastructure upgrades to support them all, accessing existing software that only works on Windows, anything with Flash, printing, upgrading internet pipes etc. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
... oh - and why am I just finding out about it after the decision has been made !!!
Last edited by Heebeejeebee; 26th March 2014 at 03:35 PM.
Main issues with 2000 ipads i think would be upgrading wireless and internet connection - reckon you would need at least a 200MB connection.
I have heard of one school who spent 200K on infrastructure alone.
Also realistically they would only have a 3 year lifespan as Apple tend to bring out new IOS regularly and don't allow older devices to upgrade.
What on earth are they thinking, an iPad is not there to replace a computer in anyway shape or form, it's a frigging £500 internet browser for gods sake! What about Sims? Shared Areas? What happens when they're three years old and Apple no longer support them and you have to buy another 2000!! iPads or any tablet for that matter can't replace a computer the only thing that even comes close is a Microsoft Surface Pro but even then staff will winge as it's screen is only 10".
I've never heard such a ridiculous sentence in all my life, I would not like to be you when it all goes tits up! Have you even tested 1 iPad yet and if so have you made sure MDM is working, WiFi is fast enough... ugh I could go on. What a stupid thing for your management to decide and I'm sorry but I'd be up in arms about this. They've agreed to a huge (wrongly made) decision without even asking for your input, I'd feel like an idiot and be furious!!!!
Well, that's one use. Won't need to use a computer for that thenit's a frigging £500 internet browser for gods sake!
Emerge, Learning GatewayWhat about Sims?
Google Docs? WebDAV?Shared Areas?
They turn into four year old non-Apple supported devices? Staggered replacement programs (buy 650-700 per year instead of 2000 all at once)What happens when they're three years old and Apple no longer support them and you have to buy another 2000!!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...pad%20keyboardiPads or any tablet for that matter can't replace a computer the only thing that even comes close is a Microsoft Surface Pro
Illuminated Magnifier, Weighted Table Base Modelbut even then staff will winge as it's screen is only 10".
School ICT Mangament = Creative solutions for impratical problems
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