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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    Don't cheap out though, good SSDs are a world apart from the cheapest. Samsung 840 EVOs get my vote (and my money) at the moment.
    This is the only thing id disagree with. The nice cheap sandisk drives will do a fine job, you certainly don't need to be spending extra on SSDs for general student/teacher PCs. The biggest benefit is down to the seek time (or lack of rather!) you don't need extra MB/s read and write and the slight optimizations to the controller that the more expensive ones give you because they'll never see that benefit. So long as you avoid OCZ you can't really go wrong with any of the cheap options.

    EDIT: It is worth noting that intel have the lowest failure rate of any manufacturer mind, but it's cost vs value to determine if it's worth it, the failure rates are pretty damn low from everyone except OCZ anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbios View Post
    It is worth noting that Intel have the lowest failure rate of any manufacturer mind
    Samsung is even better than Intel now.

    • Samsung 0.28% (against 0.05%)
    • Intel 0.63% (against 0.37%)
    • Kingston 1.00% (N/A)
    • Corsair 1.88% (against 1.61%)
    • Crucial 2.26% (against 1.12%)
    • OCZ 2.27% (against 6.64%)

    Source: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/911-7/ssd.html

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    Would always buy ssd for any new machines we get in. The thing that caught us out though was we had to increase the GPO timeout limit. The PCs were booting quicker than the network cards could properly initialise so some of the GPO s were not being applied correctly.

    I'm currently testing ssd as an upgrade for a bunch of existing Dell Optiplex 760 desktops we have, but compared to HDD, its only making a few seconds difference on login times, etc so might save the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbios View Post
    This is the only thing id disagree with. The nice cheap sandisk drives will do a fine job, you certainly don't need to be spending extra on SSDs for general student/teacher PCs. The biggest benefit is down to the seek time (or lack of rather!) you don't need extra MB/s read and write and the slight optimizations to the controller that the more expensive ones give you because they'll never see that benefit. So long as you avoid OCZ you can't really go wrong with any of the cheap options.
    IOPS is absolutely the relevant metric, not read/write speed, but we had some Kingston something-or-others in once (by mistake) and subjectively they felt closer to hard drives than SSDs. I'm not recommending the 840 Pros, they really are overkill, but I reckon the 840 EVOs are worth the £10 bump up from the cheapest.

    (though saying that, eBuyer have the 120GB M500 on cheaper at the moment...)

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    I have all the kids laptops with SSD's in them, so much faster and longer battery life!

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    Just make sure you get decent sized ones, minimum 128GB if you're using anything hefty like CS6 otherwise they fill up very quickly!

    Performance wise it's the best upgrade you can do, machines fly with SSD system drives

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    IOPS is absolutely the relevant metric, not read/write speed, but we had some Kingston something-or-others in once (by mistake) and subjectively they felt closer to hard drives than SSDs. I'm not recommending the 840 Pros, they really are overkill, but I reckon the 840 EVOs are worth the £10 bump up from the cheapest.

    (though saying that, eBuyer have the 120GB M500 on cheaper at the moment...)
    Amazon.co.uk ( Price: £61.31 for 120gb M500 ) --> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT12...M500+ssd+120gb

    Unless @VeryPC could do a reasonable SSD ( 120gb / maybe 240gb ) at a better price ?
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    We've been fully SSD in our school for 2 years now.

    No problems so far and much quicker machines.

    As someone else said its a no brainer!

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    I'm a bit late to this party, but I've just upgraded a test machine (C2D E4500 circa 2007) to a Samsung 840 Evo 120GB SSD, and tested the boot / login times against a machine with an i5 3330 (without SSD), and the E4500 beats the i5 to the login screen by about 20 seconds - despite the machine having only SATA 2, so the SSD isn't even performing to its full potential. It also beats the i5 from login screen to an open browser window by about 30 seconds. I've only tested once, but first impressions are that upgrading will be a much better deal than replacing the PCs outright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driftingashore View Post
    I'm a bit late to this party, but I've just upgraded a test machine (C2D E4500 circa 2007) to a Samsung 840 Evo 120GB SSD, and tested the boot / login times against a machine with an i5 3330 (without SSD), and the E4500 beats the i5 to the login screen by about 20 seconds - despite the machine having only SATA 2, so the SSD isn't even performing to its full potential. It also beats the i5 from login screen to an open browser window by about 30 seconds. I've only tested once, but first impressions are that upgrading will be a much better deal than replacing the PCs outright.
    SATA 3 makes no real world difference when it comes to logon speeds. It only really effects total transfer speed which in reality you will never notice in normal day to day operations.

    Basically any SSD on any interface is going to make a huge difference. I have a 5 year old PATA SSD here which is just as "real world" quick as some of the newer SATA variants.

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