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    Quote Originally Posted by TechMonkey View Post
    Any thoughts vs HP? We are looking to do a similar refresh next year and have a quote for HP upgrade but I'm thinking of other options.
    In our case the Juniper solution was a lot less ££ than HP for the equivalent hardware and spec so it was budget based. However I felt the usability of the Juniper is simpler than the HP, for someone who's complex routing and switching knowledge isn't the best the Juniper made things much clearer and simpler than doing similar things in HP.

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    We have just installed 2 x Cisco 4500X for the core and then Cisco 3750's for the edge. Each stack is linked up with 4 x 10GB connections. Nice a quick, but not cheap. It really depends on your budget.

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    Juniper could be deemed overkill for Educational establishments. We favour Procurve due to their lifetime warranty (Juniper 1 year) and free firmware upgrades making the total cost of ownership low. We have noticed more and more Schools are looking at 10gb for the backbone particularly with the new wireless standard of 802.11ac becoming available. 1gb backbone links could become a bottleneck if a School embraces this standard.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1d972 View Post
    Juniper could be deemed overkill for Educational establishments. We favour Procurve due to their lifetime warranty (Juniper 1 year) .
    Juniper is Lifetime warranty as well (has a range of T&Cs with it as do all other firms so read them and evaluate accordingly).

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    We did a whole school switch refresh too, all HP ProCurve now, been faultless

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    we did a major refresh in the Summer term half term while moving to VLans. All HP managed here, had a small amount of help from the LA, but apart from that it was just us working very very hard! Was well worth it, and we then tidied the cabinets in the summer. HP may not be the cheapest, but in terms of reliability can't fault them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HTCPCP View Post
    HP may not be the cheapest
    In our case, they were the cheapest for a 10GbE fibre network with core switches and 9 PoE-capable edge switches. Other networks might work out differently, of course, but for us they were best on price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    If you're buying switches, I think it's worth getting ones that supporet OpenFlow / Software Defined Networking, if just to leave the option open for the future to use SDN to control your network.
    SDN is still in the beginning. It will take years, till ready to use SDN controllers will be available at normal costs
    Quote Originally Posted by TechMonkey View Post
    Any thoughts vs HP? We are looking to do a similar refresh next year and have a quote for HP upgrade but I'm thinking of other options.
    HP has Procurve line of switches and H3C based switches. That quote you are talking about, which HP switches have been offered? (I wouldn´t buy every switch from them anymore)
    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    The HP switches we bought support OpenFlow
    Procurve OS based switches support Openflow 1.0 only, the latest Comware OS 7 based H3C switches support Openflow 1.3. But this is still quite useless without any ready to use SDN controller. Google and Co have manpower to get those working. And yes I´d prefer Juniper over HP/H3C, although "thanks" to public tenderism we once were forced to purchase HP/H3C.
    Quote Originally Posted by john View Post
    In our case the Juniper solution was a lot less ££ than HP for the equivalent hardware and spec so it was budget based..
    Interesting, I once contacted our local Juniper contact for getting a quote. The prices were way higher than HP, unfortunately. Which switches have been offered on HP site?
    Quote Originally Posted by s1d972 View Post
    Juniper could be deemed overkill for Educational establishments. We favour Procurve due to their lifetime warranty (Juniper 1 year) and free firmware upgrades making the total cost of ownership low.
    Well, well HP´s lifetime warranty. Nice, but software support is much more important. I had "several" tickets with HP support. One even ran over 1,5 year. At the end it wasn´t recognized as security bug. HP later published a new topic within its knowledge base. Guess what they say now: "not supported".
    I like HP for its routing support, but you get what you paid for, that´s all. Btw, you don´t get lifetime support on latest Comware 7 switches, you have to buy carepacks as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by HTCPCP View Post
    HP may not be the cheapest, but in terms of reliability can't fault them.
    We get >>60% on HP EMEA list prices on HP A series of switches. If HP wants the deal,...

    Let´s talk about money. What do you have? Just look at HP´s 10GB SFP+ optics. Even with mentioned discount, we would have to pay ~500,-€ incl. VAT for one 10GB SFP+ SR optic. Needless to mention that I pay 39,-$ (+shipping, + customs duty/VAT, for one compatible SFP+ module with correct coding while directly importing that one from China... So does it matter?
    What features do you want? What network design? Layer 3 routed access? MPLS at the edge? VPLS at the edge (layer 2 tunnel from each port to another port in your network, wouldn´t that be nice)? How many clients/devices do you have? How many switches (core, distribution, access) are we talking about?
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