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    Gaming PC - 700 Budget, what should i get?

    Heya,

    Looking at getting a gaming PC, had a few different specs thrown my way on Overclockers here: Spec me a Gaming/Photoshop rig budget 700 inc OS - Overclockers UK Forums

    What do you think? Is there a reason people are speccing AMD over say an i5? It's been aaaaaages since i've looked at performance parts so i'm a bit rusty. Any advice? Looking at playing BF4 / DayZ / anything else that takes my fancy. Also it'll be used for general internet stuff and bits of photoshop / video editing mainly just messing about nothing too serious i'm not that creative! Might also end up throwing cubase on it or similar.

    Cheers

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    Arbico B85MG Haswell Custom PC - Editing PCs for Home and Recreational Work - Arbico

    I've used the company in the past, highly recommend them. That also falls in budget, good spec, and can tweak it a bit to suit your needs.

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    For gaming duties, build the rig around a solid graphics card - I would look at spending at least 200 of that budget on one. Then an i5 with 8GB+ of RAM, Z87 board, SSD and a decent PSU. Wouldn't spec AMD CPU at that budget, but have no issues recommending them if you want to spend more in other areas. Build your own for best value though.

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    Cheers guys, yeah am gonna build my own i think, i just couldn't work out why people were speccing AMDs at that price bracket rather than an i5, wasn't sure if it was just personal preference on their part or they were better for the multitasking. I thought the i5 4670k was pretty solid

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    Where AMD are strong is in small, cheap media centre and office machines on FM2 where the APU gives a good price to performance ratio. The FX line is not so easy to recommend, but are decent all rounders and very strong in heavily threaded apps. Overall, Haswell is king. I'm an AMD fanboy too, all my self builds, most laptops and many servers use AMD.

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    I would spend a little bit more and get the following parts.

    CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (168.94 @ Amazon UK)
    Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (98.24 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (59.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (74.00 @ Amazon UK)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card (125.91 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: Corsair 350D MicroATX Mid Tower Case (86.82 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (75.06 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit) (70.57 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Total: 759.53 (or 744.46 from current cheapest suppliers)

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    The card isn't a great one...also, on MicroATX, cooling will be an issue, as would space

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    Personally I'd back the CPU down from Arthur's spec and get an R7 or even R9/7**GTX card - the CPU is less critical in most games. Cheaper i5 or even top i3. Otherwise, spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    The card isn't a great one
    The reviews are good. Is it because it's not the older OC model?

    I was going to go for a card like the MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC but I couldn't find anywhere that sold it other than eBay.

    @3s-gtech's suggestion is a good one though. Spend less on the CPU and more on the graphics card.

    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    on MicroATX, cooling will be an issue
    Huh? What has the size of the motherboard got to do with cooling? With a good case plus suitable case & heatsink fans, cooling will be a non-issue. The one thing I would add onto the list is a different HSF because the stock Intel heatsink is not particularly great.

    My current two year old gaming PC has a mATX Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z/Gen. 3 motherboard and cooling has never been an issue because it's installed in a case with plenty of airflow (Silverstone FT02).

    The mini-ITX gaming PC I am building at the moment (consisting of an i7-4770k, Noctua NH-C12P, Asus Maximus VI Impact and NCase M1) shouldn't have any cooling issues either despite being incredibly small.

    By the way, did you notice that the PC you recommended above also has a MicroATX motherboard.

    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    as would space
    ATX motherboards are unnecessarily large if you are only going to have a single discrete graphics card. mATX is perfectly fine for the OP's purpose.
    Last edited by Arthur; 2nd December 2013 at 10:17 PM.

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    The card isnt great because it over heatsbin games like BF4 or even Skyrim (with mods).

    If the OP wants to expand and run SLI/Crossfire, cant be done with microatx

    And lastly. Heat/cooling. MicroATX boards are prone to overheating because of the limited space between parts. You have to think if OP wants a bigger or better card, he would need to consider the CPU fan/heatsink also. It was a mistake I made personally.

    MicroATX is fantastic if using smaller cards, no doubt, but beefy ones (size wise) like that and you have to consider airflow. There would be a lot of heat concentrated in a small area.

    Also it didnt show the one I specxed. I changed the board. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    If the OP wants to expand and run SLI/Crossfire, can't be done with microatx
    Yes it can (unless you mean SLI/Crossfire with 3 or 4 cards?). The case pictured below is a mATX Bitfenix Prodigy M.



    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    MicroATX boards are prone to overheating because of the limited space between parts.
    It's never been a problem for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    MicroATX is fantastic if using smaller cards, no doubt, but beefy ones (size wise) like that and you have to consider airflow.
    Perhaps Pyroman would be better off with a graphics card with a blower-style fan so that the hot air is exhausted out of the rear of the case.
    Last edited by Arthur; 2nd December 2013 at 10:40 PM. Reason: Spelling

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    Quite the quandry...

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    Thanks :-) Looks like i started a bit of a debate!

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    Not at all. Good to get various perspectives.

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    Would a PS4 with a keyboard + mouse be a reasonable suggestion lol ??

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