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    Ebay

    i5 2500k = approx £130
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    Very Similar to my setup, slightly older, but has zero issues playing any game right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3s-gtech View Post
    Bulldozer cored APU, last gen mid-range GPU, last gen motherboard, slow RAM, and no dedicated SSD? Are you mad?!

    Seriously though, that's a 2012 spec PC.

    Richmond (Enhanced Piledriver) APU, R9 card, A88X chipset with FM2+, at least DDR3 1600 if not 1866MHz, and a proper SSD should slot into that spec.
    Lol, keeping to a budget. Interesting how the latest spec's cost a bit more. Seriously though - would the difference be that noticable? (not played on a PC in a long time) - few millseconds here and there?

    SSD, mmm - I hope you meant with a standard second drive for capacity? A 120Gb SSD is the same price as that SSHD, same again for a regular drive for decent storage capacity? Dread to think of the cost of a 500Gb SSD. No, I think the SSHD is the better option

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    Yeah, I'd stick a 500GB/1TB spinner in for the Steam library - that's a cheeky omission from my spec. The differences between the specs would be fairly pronounced all in, plus the feature list drops. APUs are strongly affected by memory speed (more so when using the on-die GPU), most review site tests have shown that 1600MHz is the sweet spot for price/performance but 1866MHz has dropped in price since.

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    Of course I ended up having a look. Without monitor, OS, keyboard or mouse, coming to £698.60 based on a look down eBuyer (you could shop around for components and save, eBuyer is just the easiest to browse through IMO):

    CPU - A8-5600K - 67.49 - AMD A8 5600K Black Edition 3.6GHz Socket FM2 4MB L2.. | Ebuyer.com
    Mobo - Asrock FM2A75 Pro4 - 53.58 - Asrock FM2A75 Pro4 A75 Socket FM2 VGA DVI HDMI 7.1.. | Ebuyer.com
    RAM - 2 x 4GB Crucial 1600MHz - 56.36 - Crucial 8GB kit (4GBx2) DDR3 1600 MT/s (PC3-12800) CL9.. | Ebuyer.com
    GPU - Sapphire R9 280X - 231.75 - Sapphire R9 280X DUAL-X OC 3GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI.. | Ebuyer.com
    SSD - Samsung 840 EVO 120GB - 76.98 - Samsung 120GB SSD 840 EVO - SSD only | Ebuyer.com
    HDD - Seagate 1TB - 44 - Seagate 1TB Barracuda 3.5" SATA-III Hard Drive.. | Ebuyer.com
    PSU - Corsair CS650M - 71.98 - Corsair CS650M Modular 650W ATX PSU | Ebuyer.com
    Case - Fractal Design R4 - 75.65 - Fractal Design Define R4 Silent Black Pearl Case | Ebuyer.com
    Controller - USB 360 - 20.81 - Microsoft Xbox 360 Common Controller WinXP USB Port CD | Ebuyer.com

    Motherboard is only FM2, not FM2+, so no CPU upgrade; that's because there are no reasonably priced A88X ATX boards about. There are decent mATX A88X boards but they only have two RAM slots, and I figure you're more likely to add in extra RAM as an upgrade than you are to swap CPU.

    A8-5600K is ample for gaming according to AnandTech, and I'm inclined to take them at their thoroughly-researched word.

    Sapphire R9 280X GPU is a monster and will more than last you through the coming years. It's about 60-100% more capable than the 7850, so I'm quite chuffed I squeezed it in the build (that comparison is with the 7970, which was rebadged to the R9 280X. Exact same GPU).

    SSD is good and ample for OS, 1TB HDD is loads for games/photos/music.

    PSU is 80+ gold and fully modular, and powerful enough for this system even after it's aged a few years. Friends don't let friends buy shoddy PSUs.

    I've pushed the boat out on the case a bit, as a good case is a luxury and an investment; the R4 really is quiet and well built. If you want to save money, do it here - the Coolermasters are about as cheap as you want to go (£30ish) although the Antec One looks good as well (£40ish).

    360 controller is probably the best controller ever made, and works with almost everything. You absolutely want one for PC gaming these days, some games just ain't right on KB+M (e.g. driving games, Super Meat Boy).

    That's where I'd pitch it for £700 without OS or monitor, anyway. I shall now get on with some of the work they're paying me for.
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    surely if you are using a discrete card an athlon FM2 is a better bet?

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    Yup. Should be cooler running too. In which case AMD Athlon X4 760k Black Edition Socket FM2 4MB Cache.. | Ebuyer.com is the best bet.
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    For the sake of £7, onboard graphics is a useful fallback/diagnostic when something goes wrong, IME although you do get a 200MHz boost with the Athlon, which doesn't hurt. FM2 seems the way to go anyway, cheaper all round than AM3+ and FX chips.

    I'd also like to say that I hate hate hate this stupid modules/cores nonsense that makes spec sheets on components sites such a PITA to read.

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    True, there's not much in it really. The 760k is based on Richland so it is a slightly newer arch, but very comparable otherwise. The modules thing is just how they're designed and built - they really should simplify it down a bit for comparison purposes - the 760k contains two modules but four cores.

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    The terminology they use is misleading IMHO - an AMD module is comparable to a hyper-threaded Intel core, but AMD count based on the weaker cores that are essentially hardware Intel hyperthreads, so they seem to have twice as much true parallelism as they really do. I know what's going on (at a high level) inside the chip, but I always think "£60 for a quad core? Awesome!" when really it's a hardware-hyper-threaded dual core. Still better value than the equivalent i3, though.

    What I really want are the Athlon/Phenom II X4s. They were true quad cores at a great price, a proper modern version of those would be perfect for this sort of build.
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