@Arthur multi quote on phone is a pain so used the mention instead
Pro work on an 11" tablet or a convoluted mess of docking cables, nahhh I'll pass thanks. At that point a laptop with a decent screen makes more sense and then back to the question of why you want a tablet in the first place... portability.
So what about those who want Win8 Pro for their existing apps but don't want to carry around a brick with poor battery life? MS have no offering and Lenovo aside the other manufacturers don't have a quality offering, RT far too limited but lovely form factor, shame.
Regarding portability, it looks alright to me...
The Surface Pro 2 is about the same weight (0.9kg-1.1kg) as the 11" MacBook Air (1.08 kg).
~22 hours in total. Is that still not good enough?
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Regarding screen, physically larger, 11" at high resolution isn't comfortable for long term Win8 desktop mode imo
Regarding weight, too heavy to use comfortably as a tablet holding it up etc. The RT is no lightweight but is usable, the added bulk of the Pro makes it laptop esque so you may as well have... a laptop?
As for power are you quoting Surface2 as reviews never got those stats out the original Pro?
I know MS were betting on Pro as a one device to replace tablet, notebook and tablet but seems people aren't buying it (literally). Wouldn't fancy taking a nearly £1000 device around the way you do with a tablet and by the time you add the power cover and eveything else the weight and cost go right up, most of the time wasted on web browsing with the odd burst of desktop mode.
The funny thing is on one hand I'm not a typical user as I run more specialised techie apps than say the average iPad buyer but yet as a "Pro" user find it unsuitable. When I want to do VM work, lots of typing or a spot of Photoshop I use a ThinkPad with a proper keyboard and screen, HDD + SSD and so on, not a tablet.
Yet at the same time I want a thin / light Windows tablet that can do 80% of the work with Win8 desktop apps (hence no RT) but without the crazy Pro price tag, is that so crazy? Shame MS can't offer a full range as that's where their strength should lie in theory, the ability to offer a device spec and price point that suits every need but with a unified OS across them all.
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I really wish Microsoft would just admit that windows RT (ARM) is a waste of time at this point. I can understand that 2-3 years ago they were concerned about the x86 CPU's ability to be competitive in terms of battery life but Intel proved with the last generation clovertrail atoms that their performance and battery life was on a par with ARM chipsets. People complain about fragmentation in Android but if anything the Windows desktop/Metro divide that MS has created with RT is even worse.
MS missed a trick by not fitting an Intel Bay Trail chipset to the new Surface tablet in place of the Tegra 4 in my opinion. A full-fat Windows 8.1 tablet with a quad core CPU, 4 Gb of RAM and a £400 price tag could have turned around peoples opinion of Windows 8. As it stands the Tegra-based surface RT is still a waste of time and the haswell Surface Pro (as nice as it is) is too expensive and bulky/heavy.
I can't help but feel that Microsoft are holding back on bringing out the perfect tablet to give the OEM's a chance to catch up. There are far better hardware solutions available (bay trail & ULV fanless haswell CPU's) which would be a far better fit for their tablets but they seem reluctant to use them! I'm guessing they shied away from bay trail because they felt it would be too close in terms of pricing to the Tegra 4 Surface. I expect they probably have some kind of special deal with Nvidia or feel the need to keep the trainwreck that is Windows RT rolling on the tracks a bit longer to save face.
On the plus side taken in isolation the Surface Pro 2 is substantial improvement on the previous generation. The battery life is now on a par with other ultrabooks and ,whilst expensive for a 'tablet', given the specs and build quality if I were looking to spend £800-900 on a laptop I'd definitely consider it as an alternative.
Last edited by flyinghaggis; 24th September 2013 at 12:42 AM.
while rt has been a commercial flop its not a bad os granted it has limitations bit so do most things and from what ive used of it its not bad. i suspect its kept so that ms can merge windows phone and rt at some point as smartphones become ever bigger and more powerfull
I think the big failure of Windows 8 as a has been the inconsistencies between the platforms. It should be possible to move from phone to tablet and have the same gestures available (it's not). It should be possible to take your code and compile it to the target processor without having to do extensive re-work for the specific device (it's not). One of Windows huge strengths has been backwards compatibility and compatibility across different hardware. RT and Phone have diluted that.
That said, out of the tablets I have played with - and for what I use those devices for, the RT is my preferred device for now. It's not perfect but it does exactly what I want and in a way I think is very usable.
Any idea if the offer is still on?
I finally recieved the one that I ordered in July at the end of September. I placed an order for 30 around that time also, and that order was passed onto Softcat. I recieved the keyboards over a couple of days last week, and am supposed to recieve the tablets today, but we will see!
I received a call from Softcat today, informing me that we'd now have to pay a £7.50 delivery charge to get the tablet we've been waiting for since July! Absolute codswallop - why should we have to pay extra to a middleman who has been brought in because Microsoft dropped the ball. I asked to speak to someone at MS, who told me that the order could be passed back to them and I wouldn't have to pay the charge (the person from Softcat who was also on the call didn't sound happy about this!).
They did say that it might take a couple of days longer, but that it was 2 weeks either way, so I went for it. I'm curious if anyone else has been asked to pay these charges, because in my opinion it's just plain wrong.
Gotta say I'm using the Surface RT as a replacement for my iPad and Nexus 7. Just found the 7" display too small. The Surface 2 looks a big improvement over the RT, and I hope there will be price reductions in the next six months or so.
We bought about 20 RT's in my place, over different centres.
I was talking to a Microsoft Edu Sales guy in Ireland around the end of September, and he was fairly confident that they would continue the educational pricing for the original Surface RT as an ongoing basis.
They got huge orders from all over Europe, for the Surface RT. They were finding it hard to keep up with the orders, giving the fact that MS Edu sales don't have great experience in shipping hardware. So I can see where the problems can be. He told me that they got one order for 30,000 RT's.
We are looking at getting 1:1 device for students, hopefully starting next September, maybe on a pilot basis. I don't think that the RT is there yet for this year.
The Surface RT is the front running for us at the moment on price and security, but if MS don't get the O365 as a Microsoft login, this would be a deal breaker.
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