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    Graphics card for media / gaming PCs

    What graphics card would you recommend for media / video editing / gaming PCs? (Adobe CS6 Master Suite / 3DS Max / Game Development)

    Trying to get some ideas for our new media PC spec that won't blow the budget but will keep the students / staff happy at the same time!

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    What kind of price are you looking at per card?

    Or what kind of price are you looking at for a full base-unit?
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    For Media and Video editing, get yourself an Nvidia Quadro. Even the old ones are pretty damned good and the FX5600 with 1.5GB is a monster!

    Don't use them for gaming though as they're built differently and dont respond to changing scenes in the same way.

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    Keep an eye out, as Nvidia are set to release a there "7 series" GPUs soon, even the high end "6 series" should drop in price and GTX670 is a great card

    The other option is really splashing the cash and butin GTX Titans (the best bits of the GTX series and the best bits og the quadro's)

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    I wouldnt bother with a quadro for a media editing PC it would be a waste of money. An nVidia 650Ti would be a well rounded card and should play most games on at least medium settings. What games will they be playing?

    We have Quadro 600s in our CAD CAM PCs and on a basic model there was no performance difference between that and the on chip CPU gfx (Intel Xeon E1225 P3000 gfx)
    Its only on more complicated models with multiple parts on the screen that you will see the performance benifits, so it all depends on how complex the editing is that they are doing.

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    What sort of "gaming" are you looking at?

    The onboard/on die graphics on Sandy and Ivy bridge >core i5 processors are more than beefy enough to make mincemeat out of anything with an Adobe badge on. Our older media editing machines (core2duo) had ati X1950 cards in, looked at transferring them over to the machines but it actually just slowed them down.

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    Adobe prefers nVidia cards, I believe (though I think they supported AMD from CS6 as well - we have CS5 here and I know it prefers CUDA on nVidia)

    What monitor size? It may be that a 650 is sufficient for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    Adobe prefers nVidia cards
    Not any more. With Premiere Pro CC, Adobe have finally added OpenCL support to the Windows version. There are actually more Radeon HD cards officially supported than GeForce's now.

    Premiere Pro CC introduces support for both CUDA and OpenCL GPU architectures on both the Mac and Windows platforms, which results in a dramatically enhanced list of certified GPUs, the full list of which follows this post. (Please note that the list currently displayed on this page is out of date, and will be corrected soon). Also, if you own a GPU that we haven't officially tested, but which meets the minimum requirement of having 1GB of VRAM and appropriate drivers installed, you will be able to enable that GPU in Playback Settings. An alert warns you that your configuration isn't officially certified, but you'll still be able to turn it on to use it. All this means that more people than ever will be able to enjoy full, GPU-enhanced Mercury Playback Engine performance. (Source)
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    The full list of officially certified GPUs for Premiere Pro CC is as follows:
     
    Windows
    NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675MX (CUDA)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX (CUDA)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro CX (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro FX 3700M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro FX 5800 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 2000 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 2000D (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 2000M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 3000M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 4000 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 4000M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 5000 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 5000M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 5010M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro 6000 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro K2000 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro K2000M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro K3000M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro K4000 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro K4000M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro K5000 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Quadro K5000M (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Tesla C2050 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Tesla C2070 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Tesla C2075 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Tesla M2050 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Tesla M2070 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Tesla K10 (CUDA)
    NVIDIA Tesla K20 (CUDA)
    AMD Radeon HD 6650M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 6730M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 6750 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 6750M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 6770 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 6770M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 6950 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 6970 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7510M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7530M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7550M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7570 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7570M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7590M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7610M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7630M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7650M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7670 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7670M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7690M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7730M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7750 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7750M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7770 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7770M (OpenCL)
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    AMD Radeon HD 7850M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7870 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7870M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7870 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7970M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7950 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7970 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 7970 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8470 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8550M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8670 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8670M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8690M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8730M (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8740 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8750M (OpenCL)
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    AMD Radeon HD 8870 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8950 (OpenCL)
    AMD Radeon HD 8970 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro M2000 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro V3900 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro M4000 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro V4900 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro W5000 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro V5900 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro M5950 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro M6000 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro S7000 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro W7000 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro V7900 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro W8000 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro S9000 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro W9000 (OpenCL)
    AMD FirePro S10000 (OpenCL)
    AMD says all of its A-series APUs are supported—as are Radeon and FirePro graphics cards. The OpenCL acceleration purportedly enables "real-time edits, application of dozens of effects, support for the new Lumetri deep color engine and multi-stream and mixed format accelerated workflows with AMD Eyefinity multi-display technology." Video formats up to 4K Ultra HD are supported.

    The performance improvements are, of course, substantial. On an A10-6800K processor with integrated graphics, AMD says OpenCL acceleration yields a 4.3x speedup when one applies a three-way color corrector filter to a 1080p video and exports that video to iDevice format. The quoted processing times are 46.6 seconds with OpenCL enabled and 246.1 seconds without.

    Even greater improvements are in store for users of AMD's FirePro professional graphics cards. AMD outlines some examples in this blog post. By the looks of it, FirePro GPUs don't just speed things up over plain-old software processing; they're also quite a bit faster than Nvidia's competing Quadro GPUs. AMD says it's "kicking the butt" of the Quadro K4000 and K5000 in particular. (Source)
    However, for Premiere Pro CS6, you will probably want to choose an Nvidia GPU.

    What can Premiere Pro CS6 process with OpenCL?
    Everything that Premiere Pro CS6 can process with CUDA, with four exceptions:

    • Fast Blur effect
    • Gaussian Blur effect
    • Directional Blur effect
    • Basic 3D effect

    In our first iteration of OpenCL processing, we weren't able to get enough performance improvement for these four effects, so they are for now better left on the CPU. But everything else that Premiere Pro CS6 can process with CUDA can be processed with OpenCL, and that’s a lot. (Source)

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    If you want to force Premiere Pro CS6 to use an Nvidia graphics that isn't officially supported by Adobe you will need to add it to your cuda_supported_cards.txt file in %ProgramFiles%\Adobe\Adobe Premiere Pro CS6.

    For example, to add a GTX 670:



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    GeForce GTX 670
    GeForce GTX 285
    GeForce GTX 470
    GeForce GTX 570
    GeForce GTX 580
    GeForce GT 650M
    GeForce GTX 680
    Quadro CX
    Quadro FX 3700M
    Quadro FX 3800
    Quadro FX 3800M
    Quadro FX 4800
    Quadro FX 5800
    Quadro 2000
    Quadro 2000D
    Quadro 2000M
    Quadro 3000M
    Quadro 4000
    Quadro 4000M
    Quadro 5000
    Quadro 5000M
    Quadro 5010M
    Quadro 6000
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    Thanks for the replies...We're looking for a mid range card - The games won't be anything too challenging I imagine, they're hardly going to be developing the next Call Of Duty!

    They also run 3D Studio Max 2008 / 2010 courses.

    The monitors will be dual 21" - 25"

    Our initial quote was for a PNY Quadro 4000 2GB GDDR5 which gets very expensive when we need to order so many new media machines! Although that was just a quick quote knocked up based on some Adobe recommended spec.

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    The graphics card is not as important as system ram for video editing.
    An average card with 16Gb+ of ram will work much better than a powerful card with 3Gb of ram

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    Quote Originally Posted by googlemad View Post
    Thanks for the replies...We're looking for a mid range card - The games won't be anything too challenging I imagine, they're hardly going to be developing the next Call Of Duty!

    They also run 3D Studio Max 2008 / 2010 courses.

    The monitors will be dual 21" - 25"

    Our initial quote was for a PNY Quadro 4000 2GB GDDR5 which gets very expensive when we need to order so many new media machines! Although that was just a quick quote knocked up based on some Adobe recommended spec.

    I really don't think you would need anything nearly so powerful for a school setup. I could do you a workstation with two quad core xeons large ram and Quadro Fx4600 gfx for a similar price to those cards!!

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    Leadtek are starting to produce a GTX650ti 1GB for aroun £80RRP if you only need mid-range

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    -Run Adobe CS6 Master collection including Premiere

    -Run 3DS Max 2008 / 2011 (Don't think this is a big deal considering it is sometimes used on PCs with basic Intel graphics!)

    -Run Games at medium settings - The students should be working not having a LAN tournament!

    -Be able to power 2 21" - 25" monitors

    Just looking back on a spec from 2 years ago when we last ordered some media machines they came with a PNY Quadro FX580 512MB so the 2013 equivalent(s) of that would be suitable I guess!

    At this rate I might have to ask our supplier to send out a eval machine along with a few graphic cards! Then get the media staff to feedback

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    Think based on the posts so far I'll try and get a quote with the 650Ti.

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