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    What do you think of this Managed Print Solution?

    hi

    I have a question for you all on mono printers

    At the moment I buy old refurbed hp laser printers and fix them in house where possible.

    A company have approached me with a managed print solution - this is the deal -

    they loan me Kyocera FS2100DN
    Initial upfront costs - I have to purchase from them two original toners (25,000 yield based on 5%) at 220.00 each
    After that I can then buy their remanufactured toners at 160 each same yield
    Any part replacements covered ie drum or fuser - no further cost
    Next day business for any repairs required - no further cost
    No fixed term agreement - I can stop anytime I want and the printers will be collected
    no leasing agreement
    No cost per page - you just buy the toners.

    Is anyone using a similar scheme at the moment?

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    Quick google says they dont do a toner with that yeild - normal for that printer is 12500 at about 80 for a remanufactured.

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    Hi @10101010,

    We do managed print contracts so if you let me know the details etc, I'll put something together for you

    Luke

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    I know - they tell it's something they've worked on with Kyocera

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    Might be worth naming the company...

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    Vitesse plc

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    My bullsh1t alarm is going off at that - sounds a dodgy business model, or at least a business model used by a lot of dodgy companies. Far too much scamming goes on WRT printer toners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10101010 View Post
    hi

    I have a question for you all on mono printers

    At the moment I buy old refurbed hp laser printers and fix them in house where possible.

    A company have approached me with a managed print solution - this is the deal -

    they loan me Kyocera FS2100DN
    Initial upfront costs - I have to purchase from them two original toners (25,000 yield based on 5%) at 220.00 each
    After that I can then buy their remanufactured toners at 160 each same yield
    Any part replacements covered ie drum or fuser - no further cost
    Next day business for any repairs required - no further cost
    No fixed term agreement - I can stop anytime I want and the printers will be collected
    no leasing agreement
    No cost per page - you just buy the toners.

    Is anyone using a similar scheme at the moment?
    If i was to hazard a guess it seems like they are offering an old refurb/second hand machine they have laying around that's only worth around 100 and with those toner prices they are only worth around 80 anyway so they making 140 per toner and then 80 on the refurb toners after that which pays for the cost of the machine. Looking on their website they look like a toner company so thats where they make their profit.
    Last edited by TecD; 13th March 2013 at 01:58 PM.

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    We had a Konica Minolta rep in the other day to look at renewing our photocopier contracts. Looking at out current toner replacement costs and printer life-cycle, we're very tempted by their offer. Especially as it would effectively mean replacing all our 10ppm mono printers with 35ppm colour printers at almost no cost!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TecD View Post
    If i was to hazard a guess it seems like they are offering an old refurb/second hand machine they have laying around that's only worth around 100 and with those toner prices they are only worth around 80 anyway so they making 140 per toner and then 80 on the refurb toners after that which pays for the cost of the machine. Looking on their website they look like a toner company so thats where they make their profit.
    Those printers are about 280 new. Black toners for it are about 68 each. A 3 year full accidental damage policy would only be about 40 as well.

    So, that deal is awful, whatever way you look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    We had a Konica Minolta rep in the other day to look at renewing our photocopier contracts. Looking at out current toner replacement costs and printer life-cycle, we're very tempted by their offer. Especially as it would effectively mean replacing all our 10ppm mono printers with 35ppm colour printers at almost no cost!
    There is always cost, if something sounds too good to be true it usually is!

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    We do a similar type of deal in the north of England.

    I wouldnt say its too good to be true.

    All toner yield claims need to be treated with cynicism even the OEM,s .

    As a general rule averaged out over the whole school our education users get iro 65% of the claimed yields. ( good equation to work off )

    With a compatible toner yields are less accurate as for starters you can never be certain of toner fill ,quality i.e. more waste toner produced and chip programming.

    See if you can get them to offer a free use of printer fully inclusive of toners ( regardless of coverage ) Parts and servicing on a metered
    monthly pence per click.

    Then it doesnt matter about the yields + no up front costs

    We do it at 1.5p as a guide on price

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