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    Who has the cheapect to run colour printers out there ?

    We reckon the Kyocera is the cheapest overall to buy / run .

    Anyone with better idea ?

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    Konica Magicolor 5670EN. Bought a few decent, low count ones on ebay for between £20-£40.

    Compat 12k toners £45+VAT each.
    Imaging units compat £65+VAT each. When they run down, new chips for a fiver each.

    This is my approach on a wafer-thin budget that gives the illusion of running an expensive printer setup, with exceptional printers and high duty toners but without the massive budget to match.

    Many here however are probably too snobby or indeed too well-off (school budget wise) to even contemplate doing that

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgsmith View Post
    Konica Magicolor 5670EN. Bought a few decent, low count ones on ebay for between £20-£40.
    Needing an extra zero??

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    Costs in £

    Colour Cost Per Page 0.0532
    Mono Cost per page 0.0193

    Description Ref no qty Cost Page Lifetime Cost Per Page
    Kyocera - FS-C5350DN 1 £432 60000 0.0072
    Fuser Kit 0 0 200000 0
    Waste Toner 0 0 36000 0
    Yellow 1 113 10000 0.0113
    Magenta 1 113 10000 0.0113
    Cyan 1 113 10000 0.0113
    Black 1 113 12000 0.009416667
    3yr Warranty 1 161 60000 0.002683333



    Yup good. Provided you do 20,000 pages per year on every device.... However if you expect to do 100,000+ then consider a RISO ComColor. The maths get sticky with the number of variables at play as you introduce a 'disruptive' device like a RISO, and the point at which you get value for money/savings is tough to predict. So I will (i'm afraid) leave that as an exercise for the reader.

    (that mess above looks good in the edit window, sorry)
    Last edited by psydii; 31st October 2012 at 07:46 PM.

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    Where did you get those stats from @psydii?

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    Prices from the usual supplier websites, the usage/lifetime info from the manufacturers data sheets, the Riso stuff from work done with them on a project here, so the details are specific to our site and also comercial in confidence etc etc (hence the vagueness)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edu-IT View Post
    Needing an extra zero??
    Only if you buy brand new Picked two up on ebay over the last 3 months, one cost £0.99 + £19 postage and the other £38 all in, latter including IUs.

    Whilst I don't doubt there are other printers out there with good economy stats, if you know where to get decent, reliable compatibles then it's not really beatable, even on a managed service. How I manage our printers isn't down to choice but necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgsmith View Post
    Only if you buy brand new Picked two up on ebay over the last 3 months, one cost £0.99 + £19 postage and the other £38 all in, latter including IUs.

    Whilst I don't doubt there are other printers out there with good economy stats, if you know where to get decent, reliable compatibles then it's not really beatable, even on a managed service. How I manage our printers isn't down to choice but necessity.
    Oh I see! You must have been lucky as I looked and they were all £400 to £600. Unless I was looking for wrong thing.

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    You could take a look at the Epson WP-4000 series, they have several in the range from a basic printer to a postscript version and multifunction versions. These are inkjet printers but the cartridges are somewhat larger than most with the largest cartridges having a capacity of 3400 pages for £31 each. They look like a laser printer so many folks don't even notice they are inkjets.

    We have a couple where I am now and have been happy with them.

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    Well done ! That is cheap printing .

    Not sure if everyone could live with the unreliability of ebay machines , costly time wise to keep fixing.

    But hats off to you i think you are the winner !

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    Good answer , we think the kyocera is good value .

    In fact we have reduced the running costs by at least 50% with a nifty trick !

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrinterPal View Post
    Good answer , we think the kyocera is good value .

    In fact we have reduced the running costs by at least 50% with a nifty trick !
    What's that trick, remove the fuses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrinterPal View Post
    Good answer , we think the kyocera is good value .

    In fact we have reduced the running costs by at least 50% with a nifty trick !
    @PrinterPal Whats the trick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edu-IT View Post
    What's that trick, remove the fuses?
    Its a bit of a secret really .

    We import the toner in bulk from Japan and replace the chips.

    This works really well on the Kyocera as they have 200k drums + fusers so the only running costs are toner !

    As a business we put the machines in for free and charge just for the prints made each month 7p colour 1.5p mono. ( regardless of coverage )

    Inc all service repairs no lease involved.

    Printers send a monthly meter reading and ask for toner when needed !

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrinterPal View Post
    Well done ! That is cheap printing .

    Not sure if everyone could live with the unreliability of ebay machines , costly time wise to keep fixing.

    But hats off to you i think you are the winner !
    Besides the initial buy cost of a negligable amount, we've yet to spend any money or time on fixing issues as there haven't been any issues to fix! Admittedly there is no warranty but then you could also argue we may have been lucky.

    If and when any issues do arise, we will have already had good moneys worth and the loss from the initial outlay won't be missed.

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