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    Could this be fixed by us engaging Primaries in our own procurement processes?

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    Another example of BBC sensationalising...

    I'm not being funny, but would anyone have done the same deal, put up with the same pushy sales if they were buying a computer at home? Same door to door sales techniques employed for years. I'm not saying these guys shouldn't be strung up by their tiny p...... well, you know... but surely common sense would have come in at some point before signing over such huge figures?

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    Ah, true. Depends if anyone on the Governors has the necessary experience as well of course. Here a couple of ours do, but I can imagine not every school would be in the same position.

    And yes, this lends further credence to the "schools cluster" paradigm, with secondary schools assisting primary schools in matters such as this. Again, to be fair to the government here, Gove has also said he'd like these clusters to become more common as well. Maybe he thought that would mitigate this problem before it started, only not enough schools have done it so far...

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    Missed it. So was there anything about Danwood?

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    Nope nothing about danwood.

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    Just waiting for this to appear on iplayer...

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    Just going back a few, I too laughed at the 'not connecting to Internet' laptop... Made me LOL good and proper... Tithe untrained eye the BBC have blamed this too on the suppliers... I am sure every technician on edugeek threw something at their TVs at that moment!

    Although I think i did blame the supplier back in the day!

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    Just watched this on iPlayer as I missed the beginning...

    The primarys in my last LEA used to use our school support package (we are a secondary) - one had an offer of free laptops and we told them to steer clear!

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    Perhaps this will be a wake up call fro some primaries with no tech support to start to utilise the expertise within their local secondaries.
    Its not the lack of tech support - its the lack of accountability of head teachers who are basically judge, jury and executioner (or in financial terms customer, buyer and CFO!)

    It they had support from the local secondary - would they use it - would they heck - they don't need ANYONE telling them what to do in THEIR school

    Heads can spend 50,000/annum on ICT or a new roof or 3 extra teachers or 5 extra TAs - basically whatever they believe will give the best learning improvement/$.

    No real accountability as they have no real boss.

    More primaries on panorama as there are more primaries

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    And as a primary tech - I wouldn't want any of your year on year MS Tax payments or 30K WiFi schemes or replacing computers <10 years old landed on any of my schools

    Si

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    I notice on Twitter that there are several people mentioning the demise of Becta as something that has contributed to this. Personally I thought their procurement frameworks were an abject shambles, with estimated pricing of equipment that was miles above market prices.
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    Primary school heads are accountable to the governing body and the finance committee the head was anonymous failed as she allowed herself to be bullied in to signing and was rightly bought to task over it.

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    To be fair, Becta's frameworks may have left something to be desired but they certainly weren't THIS bad, and at least there was some form of structure that would have prevented the really bad eggs among suppliers from slipping through the net directly onto Primary Heads like this. Their pricing may have been a little inflated but I gather (and only gather) that their vetting schemes for potential suppliers were reasonably rigorous.

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    Looks like it was all to good to be true.

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