mb2k01 (27th January 2010)
Please dont take this as a pop, just try to see it from our perspective a little and that keeping all happy is damn hard, after a certain point you have to say enough is enough, play ball.
mb2k01 (27th January 2010)
Not taken as a pop - taken as a very well thought through, honest, answer. Thank you.
I totally agree with these sentiments,
"Now I don't usually enter in to these threads as I usually have better things to do but I for one must say that I am quite happy with EduGeek and if they do some money making initiatives to keep it going and thrive"
I am slighlty surprised that there are a few people who are getting so upset over the point of this thread.
I suppose if you don't like it don't join is the answer.
To Dos et al thank you making this resource available.
You failed to mention why i blocked the adds. Its because they are inappropiate. You also failed to mention i made a donation out of my own cash to the site insteadironically boasted to me about how you were going to block all edugeek ad's as you felt you didnt want to support us, we could have banned you then as you technically have no direct $ value. I could write some scripts to detect attempts to block ad's and lock you out of the site but we dont...
Last edited by FN-GM; 27th January 2010 at 12:03 PM.
I as many other don’t normally get involved with these kind of discussions, there are plenty of members that share my view and they can get point across better than I ever could, but this has got to stop!
So what if the people who run this site get paid for their time and their skills. How many of you here would go round to someone’s home, stay up until 2:00am fixing someone’s computer for nothing? Take into account that you do get paid. How many of you would still want to do that day after day? How many of you would continue when the people you help continue to berate the work you do?
Keep up the good work is what I say.
Also when it comes to what goes on behind the scenes, unless something directly affects you why do you need to know? If 2 Teachers in your school have an issue and the Head Teacher is dealing with it do they tell you all the ins and outs?
Sport has armchair supporters; it seems EduGeek has its share of armchair Admins. I suggest its time those tuned into another forum.
Please back that up with PM's to me with details and if founded we can discuss publically. We have had sponsors versus sponsors but no we have not been bending to the will of sponsors imo.I am not saying what you do with the money is bad but as more and more is being made the members are not being treated like they did. The site seems to look after sponsors more.
Last edited by ZeroHour; 27th January 2010 at 12:10 PM.
At the time i didnt support what you where doing so it would make me a hypocrite if i had it displaying.
I also stopped doing the wiki and asked for my rights to be removed because i just don’t agree.
Im not sure if i have the orignal stuff, i had to delete them as my inbox was full but its happened. At the time it was denied so the tune will hardly change now.I am not saying what you do with the money is bad but as more and more is being made the members are not being treated like they did. The site seems to look after sponsors more.
And when i say all this i dont want to be falling out with anyone.
Last edited by FN-GM; 27th January 2010 at 12:15 PM.
Oh come on people! Do you really think this site can and always will remain the same small community is used to be? As things get bigger, they change - they have to, as it is not logistically possible to stay the same. Bigger = more expensive. More expensive = more income needed.
So, yes sponsors may get some special treatment in some areas, but without them, this site couldn't possibly support the number of members it has, or the events it runs.
Stop talking about the money I say.
I have seen similar arguments come on other sites stating spyware etc but it really never washes with me as its so little of an issue no one can reasonably say that blocking adverts for all their work day on the off chance that an advert with a dating site happens to occur (for example) and you get insta-sacked for it. If thats the case you must have one hell of an RUA and face unfair dismissal all the time as the rest of your staff wont probably care nor even have the ability nessarily to stop these sackable adverts...
Also let me add *at that time* you also yourself said you had gone off on one a bit and was it not all resolved?
Thing is as I see it in terms of adverts - how many sites do we browse each day looking for answers to a solution? These sites all show adverts, and most of them probably couldn't care less what adverts we see as long as they make their money.
At least EduGeek tries to tailor adverts to suit, knowing they are suitable for viewing in front of fellow staff or students.
I wasn't going to contribute, but this is definately a hot topic with a very mixed air of opinion.
I used to work for GameSpy/IGN, arguably the biggest gaming-related company in the world. Look on the back of almost any game box, and a GameSpy logo will be there. I started out as a user, using the Arcade software to play my games online. I got involved with the community. I started helping out other users with firewall/router issues to get them to connect to servers. GameSpy had a dedicated live team of support volunteers who would roam the software giving assistance. Due to how well I was helping others, I was recruited into that team. Such a chain of events is generally how Mods are recruited in open communities.
Due to my dedication within that team I was promoted to Administrator status. One of twelve in the world, to cover a user base well into the millions. Essentially this was Admin status across their whole IRC network, plus Admin status on their Forums. Thousands of boards across hundreds of Forums. I've done my share of Forum Administration. Angry kids who couldn't get their games to work. Angry parents who couldn't get their games to work. Angry users when we'd moderate their posts for being rude and crude when they couldn't get things to work.
Administrators and Moderators are recruited for a reason. They've shown willingness to help and dedication to the community. They're entrusted by the owners to share their burden and carry out tasks that a single person cannot accomplish alone. As an Admin myself I was subject to hundreds of hate messages. "How dare you ban me?", "Stop deleting my posts!". I was entrusted with the responsibility of upholding the integrity of the forums, and weeding out things which were unsuitable. It is worth noting that there were strict guidelines in place for us to follow, which made it easier. Any posts made which were directed at Moderator actions were locked, as it was forum policy not to discuss things in public, and I stand by that notion. If you have an issue with moderation, take it up in PM with a Moderator, even if they're not the one to have done anything. All moderators are in link with each other, and they will all communicate to resolve the complaint professionally. I would humbly suggest similar lines here. Threads directed at Mod actions soon spiral into Mod bashing.
With my experience in mind, I do not like to see mod/admin bashing. They're doing the job they're entrusted to do. When you're on the receiving end of some moderation, you tend to react badly. From the forums I used to manage, you had users. Then you had moderators, which were generally the first line support team. They could cut, move, edit and lock posts - that's moderation. I was the second line, Administrator. I had user management access, along with all the powers of a Mod. Administrators administrate - Removing unruly users, managing accounts, lots of behind the scenes forum work. Of course, Admins here do a lot more than I used to do, but that's it in a nutshell.
And true enough, this is Edugeek. It is a community, regardless of people saying otherwise, and it is intended as a professional community. This is Dos_Box's site, and, while perhaps an interesting analogy, it is his town. He's the sheriff, the judge and the jury at the end of the day and I will happily stand by him and whatever decisions he chooses to make, for I visit here daily and I admire what he's turned this into. I'll hold my hand up and say I contributed to the silliness. I'm on the "user" side of the fence these days, so perhaps I do let my decorum slip a little. The boundaries were pushed, it wasn't appreciated by the management. We've all had a stern message, I suggest we accept it and move on. As many people have already said - grow up. I admire the mods and Admins for doing something I once did, for no pay, and their judgment should be respected and if it should be challenged, challenge it professionally in a PM.
On a final note, I don't think the community here has changed. I think it should be more professional, and I think all those with the authoritative position to say so are within their rights to say so. Remember where we work. If you were seen roaming forums for idle chat during work hours, I'm sure you'd get reprimanded for it in any other work environment.
This is an opinion, and as such people do challenge opinions. If you wish to challenge or respond to my opinion, take it to PM please. I truly hope people accept things, and let this rest, and we can get back things.
Now I've got to be honest in that I haven't read all this thread - mainly because of the number of pages. There seems to be complaints about how EG should be run(aministered etc) but people are already doing it. If you dont like the way it is run, dont use the resource. Everyone has different idea on how things should be run and if it was to be decided between everyone, nothing would happen.
Personally I see EG as a resource I can access in work and as such expect it to be suitable for access at work. It has helped me when I get stuck on a problem(often without having to post as other people have already encountered & solved it already) but is light harted enough not to take itself too seriously. I'm not bothered about the money side of it, as I believe for the most part that members are happy to be able to use a resource which can provide such a huge amount of support in a matter of minutes.
Well not according to my records, but its probably a cover up by admins/mods... Please only state things you can back up as hear say is simply not beneficial to anyone. If you find the mails/pms/etc please forward them to me via email/pm and I will check my records.Im not sure if i have the orignal stuff, i had to delete them as my inbox was full but its happened. At the time it was denied so the tune will hardly change now.
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