Besides, this may lead to something that is beneficial to all of our reseller sponsors once we have banged our heads together a few more times.
There are 70,392,567 websites in the world according to wikianswers.com, currently we sit at number 100,081 (according to alexa.com) and will advance a bit higher (ZH estimates into about the 75,000s) at the next revision. This costs us (by us I mean me) a LOT of money. If you knew our actual running costs and yearly expenditure it would take a few of you to club together your annual wages and donate them to the cause. Any volunteers? or would you like to to worry about all of this side of things? We do have to walk a fine line, but one thing I will not do is sell you all out. We get many offers for access to our user database, often for quite large sums of money, or offers to flood the forums with ads, or paid membership schemes, but never one have we even looked at doing any of this. So to keep going we have to look at things in ways that may look strange to you, but are often implemented after long, late night MSN discussions between all of the admins and mods to ensure we don't dump on our members. We have not taken any choice away from you by partnering up with Acer Outlet, just exploring an option for ensuring we can still support you in the future.
Here here DB.
@Sparkeh - you can't look at it as endorsement. Acer is much like the other sponsors we have. The difference here is that the relationship is negotiated and offers us members the opportunity of long term ongoing deals with this supplier.
We're all free to pick and choose from other suppliers, and i'm sure in the future there may even be more outlets, or validated sponsors in a central EduGeek outlet.
Just think of all our buying power channeled through one body (EG), able to ensure that the customers (us) are able to get a good deal, and have a channel for recourse if the service isn't up to scratch.
I think carefully done, it's a really good thing.
I will add, that I personally have not been impresse with what I have heard in the past about Acer, but I trust DB and Acer Man to ensure that this works, and as such will hopefully (fingers and finance permitting) be placing an order with him for a server in the next few days (just finishing some paper pushing and planning first). I wouldn't normally be putting trust in Acer for a Server after reading and hearing of the many problems of the past, but am confident that this arrangement with Edugeek will be a good one, and I trust Acer Man when he says that if it goes tits up that he will kick Acer's backside with and for us to get it sorted, so if I am putting that trust in them when my name and reputation is on the line (as I'm known for my amazingly reliable kit spec's and installs hence my use of HP Proliants in everything in the past) so I would hope others will also now do the same.
I look forward to my mug - mind you, I work in two schools and I wouldn't want to break my mug carrying it from place to place and I have been waiting a very very long time for the prize I legitimately won, and I am a very nice person and and and...
maybe I deserve two?
Have had Acer laptops and a few computers in the past and they were rubbish. Poor quality. HP any day and failing them i would resort to Dell.
I understand this site needs to pay it's bills so i can understand where the mods are coming from when they do things like this. After all i don't have to pay for the site to keep running out of my own pocket.
One thing though. Explaining that you have had offers for user information from the site and that you would never consider giving it out is something that needs not be said. I have not inspected the site's terms and conditions and am no expert in law but that sounds like it would land you in court should you even have that in the back of your mind as an option. It is not something to use to justify your honesty. No offense meant.
It is a great site and a great resource for those in education. I admit though i am not a great poster here and i do adblock all of the adverts on the site and rather enjoy the "by blocking ads you play into the hands of BSF" thingy as it makes me smile, don't know why.
I block all ads for all sites and if a site goes under because it can't pay the bills then so be it. Hopefully if the members here liked the site enough they would all chip in and you would not need these sycophantic sales people posting how lovely they are all the time and how they care about us and our problems . Dislike sales people really and after years of hearing them say the same things it gets old.
Just my thoughts, no offense to anyone intended.
Had bad Acers ... and some good Acers. I prefer Dells and Macs myself and would have no objection to outlets for them either to be honest.
Then again, I don't really have a need for spending personal cash right now and have to go through the, very rigorous, LA Procurement Policy that means I can't use it anyway :-(
To be honest, it doesn't matter who DB partners with, there will be concerns raised by someone. It's the nature of the game to some extent :-(
Secondly thanks, it's nice to know that we are just a passing fad to be stripped of free information until exhausted then cast aside. We need the ads to stay operating. We started on a £7.99 per month hosting package but are now spread over several dedicated servers which cost thousands to run. We have contemplated asking for donations to keep running, and still have the option to donate on the site, but the problem is that we are supposed to be free and asking people to 'pay' for this is a bit cheeky don't you think? Besides, it still would not raise the funds necessary. Could you name me another niche community which lies up into the top few percent of web sites that relies totally on donations to keep going?
Anyway, it's 3am, I'm tired and cranky, my kids have got me out of bed and I can't get back to sleep and I have to answer a post advertising a position of indifference *sigh*
Fine, use the site, block the ads and work out the irony of getting something for nothing whilst letting someone else worry about where the funds to run the site come from.
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If you look, it's very uncommon that Acer laptops now score less than 4 out of 5. As for support, I currently have an important work laptop in with HP for over 2 weeks now as they wait for a delivery of new keyboards to the UK, and whilst I am assured Acer have sorted out the support problems they had in the past, it's not just them that sometime 'hiccup' with particular issues.
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acer-man (16th February 2009)
Nice post DB. (Not meant sarcastic!!)
You are right; this is an excellent resource for IT experts in education... most likely the only true unbiased source as well. (As far as unbiased members go! :P)
Personally, I wouldn’t like your job of running the site. As you've said, there are alit of problems... most likely political and financial by the sound of it... but I think you're doing a great job.
As a first step, the idea of an outlet is great. Personally not sure about the brand choice... but each person to their own. It would be great if in the future, the brand choice could be expanded. Perhaps a dedicated person from each brand/supplier with their own "sub site". But having all product information in standard format... therefore we can actually compare things.
Anyway, that’s just a random thought.
Just wanted to say though, I realise the tough decisions you and the other admins face in the day-to-day running of this site. And I’d like to say thank you for sticking with us and keeping this excellent resource open and free.
I won't apologise for blocking adverts on the internet as i dislike them. I am being honest and at least you are getting that from me. I could just post how wonderful the site is and pretend i click the banners every day to help generate cash but that would be silly. I don't have a solution really for the problem of running sites such as these and still managing to keep everything afloat. As i said, respect to you for doing it for so long. Perhaps give Roman Abramovic a call?
If i was a 10,000 poster perhaps i would care more about the people behind the sites i visit on the internet. It doesn't really keep me up at night worrying if yahoo or googlemail will be able to stay afloat because i use adblock. The internet is a great resource and where one site dies another will come along. You may take offense at that statement because you have a personal investment in this site but i am just an internet user who visits this site now and again. More so lately because i am studying and when bored, come and look on here at any interesting or funny posts. Sorry if this annoys you. I don't intend to wind up the site owner, just stating how i feel on a public forum.
dalsoth - still seems like a poor position to have. If this site went down, it would be a great loss, and 'another coming along' would not contain all the information and expertise that has built up.
Even if people didn't post anything any more, the site would be an invaluable resource and worth keeping going.
Also, the adverts on this site have on occasion been a good source of offers. Blocking them seems a bit silly really. I take it you never read your local free papers?
Have to agree that this place is worth its posts in gold. To think that only 3 ½ years ago you had places like the TES ICT forum and Google groups to discuss topics on. Now there is an almost 12,000 member community, and when to take into consideration the fact that it’s quite a niche community that is some achievement.
I myself have found a great home here and have made some great work contacts and suppliers plus some good friends. It is because of the friendliness and community of this site that I have enjoyed contributing things like the Joomla Package and graphic work, and the same reason that a great many other talented members do the same, sharing their software, policies and knowledge.
There will always be people who only see Edugeek as a forum, and that is fine but it is has become much more, and this down to the hard work and dedication of the admins and members.
Yes people have had bad experiences with Acer, but I am sure that if it was Dell or HP up there people would be complaining of their experiences, and also even more talk of selling out.
I have purchased the odd Acer laptop for work and have not had an issue. I’ll be honest and say that I will stay with what I know and continue to use Dell where I can. But others who use Acer will find it a great resource.
If something like this helps pay the bills and keeps this place going then so be it. It is not like the site is pushing the fact with adverts for it everywhere, there is a single button that you can choose to click.
I agree with SYSMAN_MK completely.
I replied originally as i thought it was strange that peoples personal data was being brought into the thread. As a low poster, i was a bit worried that it was mentioned as my email details etc are stored here. I do feel though that Dos_Box would not do such a thing. More so after seeing his reply.
If the site requires me to visit the adverts or quit i will quit. Please let me know if that is the case.
I do not read newspapers, i read a few online papers such as the Times, Telegraph, etc... Perhaps i should worry that they will go under as i am not paying them anything.... . I live in a country where it will be soon impossible to breath without being taxed. How i choose to live my life is not really your concern and i hope you have better things to do than to worry about me.
It's silly to not read adverts? Do you actually believe that? Just because i do not live my life the way you do does not make me "wrong" in any way. I am not a dalek. Your opinion of me matters little as i am happy.
I do not intend to argue with anyone on here, just stating my own outlook on things. If that is not allowed let me know i will skidaddle off no hard feelings. The world is a better place when people of different views can discuss things in a sensible manner without things turning ugly
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