I would say smashing up someone's lively hood, torching the placing, laughing about it and running of with goods is far worse than expenses fraud. Note, not expenses fraud is ok, just not as bad. I think parliament and our whole governmental system needs reform. But comparing the expenses scandal to a mass outbreak of civil lawlessness and then trying to use that as some means of justifying it is misguided and minimises the whole problem. We may as well say that the looters are all Robin Hood types, the loveable scamps, lets just let them be.
One MP also didn't claim millions in expenses, hundreds of second homes, gave cash for questions, killed millions in wars, tried to keep expenses private, shot mark duggan and let over 300 people die in police custody in the last 10 years without anyone being charged. Individuals acted for themselves, not one person did everything.
Its not as bad, why? because they are wearing a suit? because they tricked you into voting for them?
Stealing is stealing and people are making excuses for MPs (David Lammy (tottenham) £173,922) by trying to justify a difference.
get a grip ffs
by your logic there is no difference between a murderer on death row and a soldier in the army. both have probably killed, i see absolutely no difference. killing is killing, is it better because one is wearing a uniform?
You are saying that expenses fraud is the same as criminal damage, bodily harm, theft and rioting. So does that mean software piracy is as bad as rape?
why not just have one fixed prison term for all crimes, rather than basing each crime on its own?
I think you fully understand the point he's trying to make, stop being facetious.
UK riots: the list of magistrate cases and convictions so far | News | guardian.co.uk
* 'Burglary other than dwelling'
* 'Entering Maplins Electronics, in Temple Street, as a trespasser'
* 'Handling stolen goods'
* 'threatening words and behaviour and assaulting a police constable'
* 'Possession of a knife'
* 'Behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace'
* 'Obstructing a PC'
* 'Handling stolen goods'
Apart from extreme cases, are the above charges worse than the charges of MPs 20k or 150k in expenses? or the police taking thousands from Murdochs papers for information?
Assault, theft, criminal damage, carrying a lethal weapon, burglary.
They all need to be taken into context too.
The old man that died in Ealing, help was hindered because police were being assaulted with missiles while trying to reach him. That man may have died because police couldn't reach him in time due to rioters obstructing them. On the face of it, fraudulently claiming £50k in expenses may seem a bigger deal than obstructing a PC. But in the context of that situation, a mans life was lost because of that obstruction.
I've got to say that if anyone came up to me in the street and mugged me for £50 then that's worse than the same person stealing £50 from my online banking. Yes, both are bad, but in my eyes the mugging is much much worse as it involves an act of violence.
The point is that neither rioting/looting/arson/criminal damage nor fiddling expenses is acceptable. But those guilty of the latter are in no position to lecture people about the morality of the former.