# We're All Going To Die

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• 21st April 2010, 04:34 PM
srochford
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hightower

Erm - perhaps you should also check up the meaning of risk, because what you listed are 'hazards'! Risk is the LIKELIHOOD of a hazard occurring.

Sorry; I should have included a bit more detail for clarity.

For each of the hazards I have described, there is a >0 likelihood that it will occur. In that case, there is a non-zero risk. Does that help to make it clear? To go back to the original point, there are so many things which could go wrong with flying a plane that there is again always going to be a risk when you fly (the likelihood that (eg) the engines all failing simultaneously is not huge but it's not zero. The likelihood that a terrorist will get on board with some kind of bomb is not huge but it's not zero. I could go on.)

Does that help to explain why I think it's nonsense to say you should never fly "if there is any risk at all"??
• 21st April 2010, 04:52 PM
localzuk
Quote:

Originally Posted by srochford
Does that help to explain why I think it's nonsense to say you should never fly "if there is any risk at all"??

I think they were talking within the context of 'ash related risk'...
• 21st April 2010, 05:00 PM
jamesb
Quote:

Originally Posted by srochford
Sorry; I should have included a bit more detail for clarity.

For each of the hazards I have described, there is a >0 likelihood that it will occur. In that case, there is a non-zero risk. Does that help to make it clear? To go back to the original point, there are so many things which could go wrong with flying a plane that there is again always going to be a risk when you fly (the likelihood that (eg) the engines all failing simultaneously is not huge but it's not zero. The likelihood that a terrorist will get on board with some kind of bomb is not huge but it's not zero. I could go on.)

Does that help to explain why I think it's nonsense to say you should never fly "if there is any risk at all"??

Technically it is a perfectly sensical sentence, not nonsense at all.

I'm with you though, let us crack down on all of this lazy use of language which leaves so much to interpretation. Everything should be written to be taken in the exact, literal sense. I believe lojban is an attempt to do this.
• 21st April 2010, 05:01 PM
tech_guy
To make sure it's safe to fly, they should have sent a plane full of politicians up first?
• 21st April 2010, 05:03 PM
jamesb
Quote:

Originally Posted by tech_guy
To make sure it's safe to fly, they should have sent a plane full of politicians up first?

If it's not safe to fly, can we send up another one just to make sure?
• 21st April 2010, 05:10 PM
tech_guy
That was what I was thinking.
• 21st April 2010, 07:31 PM
mattx
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Originally Posted by tech_guy
To make sure it's safe to fly, they should have sent a plane full of politicians up first?

Amen to that.
• 21st April 2010, 11:19 PM
mattx
• 22nd April 2010, 09:12 AM
jamesb
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattx

It always stuns me how calm people seem to stay during genuine crises, especially considering how they can react when something's merely an inconvenience.

The quote from Captain Moody seems to sum up the idealised British attitude - Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control. I trust you are not in too much distress.
• 22nd April 2010, 11:00 AM
ICT_GUY
The Larry Vaughn law.

When a politician says its safe, run for the hills.
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