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The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it — Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring — Carl Sagan
Went shopping in Birmingham city centre on Saturday, there was a "religious" group protesting against this video outside the bullring....
I can tell you 90% of people just laughed at how pathetic it was and walked passed... The video was made in the USA - not in England/Birmingham! so why protest there? No other reason than an excuse to start trouble IMO.
The further in we get the more posts will be commenting on the length of the thread "Is this still going on". In some threads of several thousand posts it must get to the point where that's all there is...Quote:
Originally Posted by teejay
And "Godwin's law".Quote:
Originally Posted by pcstru
Some people have to be angry at something...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee91
... which was funny up until the first few million times it was posted on forums. I hereby invoke Jinnantonnixx's law which proclaims that “As a group/forum discussion grows longer, the probability of the invocation of Godwin's law approaches one.”Quote:
Originally Posted by X-13
No other reason? Surely, people have a right to avail themselves of their freedoms. Exercising their right to free speech and protest is a good enough reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee91
Usually, protest has a reason. You protest outside a business because they're doing something you think is wrong. You protest outside an embassy because you think that country is doing something wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcstru
What does protesting in the middle of Birmingham, about a film made by an idiot in the USA have to do with anything of any relevance?
Rights come with responsibilities, and so far, those are being ignored by many...
Nice quotes but I think the are value judgements on a world view and they miss an important aspect of life : it's possible to like (or dislike) cheese. Not everything is reducible to some universal truth. I like cheese. My brother does not like cheese. There is no right or wrong about this, no need for me to prove anything or provide any evidence other than my statement. The cheese world-view of me and my brother might seem diametrically opposed, but they are both equally valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur
To some extent faith should be like this. It's faith because there is no objective evidence, so someone believes essentially because they like to. They like that world view and no one can really argue with 'like'. If there is conflict and lack of respect with atheist/rational viewpoints it's actually coming from religious believers for whom 'like' is not enough. They want to pretend there is evidence or rationale, they want to argue that the existence of say, god, is a universal truth rather than a personal one. That is a certain route to 'conflict'.
Usually? I'd say that protest always has a reason. The question is do I know the reason, do I understand the reason and maybe finally, do I agree with the reasons? However, interesting as those questions are, they are beside the point that people do have a right to protest regardless of what I might think of that. Characterising the protesters as troublemakers tells us everything about the writers opinions but little about the opinions of the protesters. I don't particularly think the film about Mohamed is very good (or a good idea) but I don't question the right of someone to make that. Are these western freedoms only for non Muslims?Quote:
Originally Posted by localzuk
Yes. Yes they are. [Not serious!]Quote:
Originally Posted by pcstru
When the entire wave of 'protests' has lead to deaths and violence, then the right to protest is diminished. Much like with animal rights protest, a bunch of illegal stuff happened, and therefore the entire movement came under scrutiny.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcstru
Also, your comments are kinda odd, as none of us have said they shouldn't have the right to protest, just that their protests are, well, dumb.
And I bet quite a few of those were Muslims. Don't forget that the press tend only to show the bad stuff. Many Muslims, both private citizens and those in various governments, have condemned the protests. Only we never see that stuff, do we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee91
And in news today, a bunch of people said "we don't really care about the offensive anti-muslim video circulating on the internet".Quote:
Originally Posted by witch
thats not just a relegious thing the "news" is almost all bad stuff happening 3 teenagers shot in pub brawl is much much more likely to make page 1 than 3 teenagers help rebuild old peoples houses after floodingQuote:
Originally Posted by witch