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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    Good news about your meeting but I still think that if I have got it right, and you are now Network manager with management responsibilities with no more pay, then this also needs to be fought!

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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    I look after exchang and TBH once its running its self caring, it looks after itself, you just keep an eye on the logs etc, I maybe look at the actual box once a week, postmaster inbox daily and eventlogs every other day, and they are normally fine, clearly if I see a problem then I will dig deeper, but they normally run fine once going.

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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    I got picked to do a job evaluation and to be honest it was a right mess. Bascally they have set criteria for your job and you tell them if you do it or not. They did not allow me to tell them the extra jobs and responsibilities I have because my job title is Technician. Now I do a hell of a lot more than what a technician does and an IT Technician is usually someone who works in a team of other IT support people so their job is much more centre of the line and directed to technical support stuff. Being a technician is about 10% of my job. I do so many other things it is unreal but they did not allow me to list these as my job is listed as technician. The idea behind a job evaluation is that you dont get a pay rise, they look at the role as a whole and decide is all technicians in your LEA etc are going to get a rise. So I need to get my job description changed. Problem then is I will have more responsibilities on paper and same pay!

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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    I'd certainly support the need for training having your job re-assessed and I definitely support you wanting to be paid what you're worth but running an Exchange server isn't a full time job in most places unless they have very large and very specialised deployment. At the end of the day it's just another email server.

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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    Quote Originally Posted by starscream
    I got picked to do a job evaluation and to be honest it was a right mess. Bascally they have set criteria for your job and you tell them if you do it or not. They did not allow me to tell them the extra jobs and responsibilities I have because my job title is Technician. Now I do a hell of a lot more than what a technician does and an IT Technician is usually someone who works in a team of other IT support people so their job is much more centre of the line and directed to technical support stuff. Being a technician is about 10% of my job. I do so many other things it is unreal but they did not allow me to list these as my job is listed as technician. The idea behind a job evaluation is that you dont get a pay rise, they look at the role as a whole and decide is all technicians in your LEA etc are going to get a rise. So I need to get my job description changed. Problem then is I will have more responsibilities on paper and same pay!
    Perhaps the obvious answer here is to turn this on its head and only do what is currently listed as a responsibility for your job title?

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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    I'm guessing this is more the straw that borke the camals back? People seem to be saying that adding an exchange server is not a full time job, but I'm guessing that there have been many jobs that have been added over time, under the guise of "it's software so you support it". I would suggest that you write everything you do down, compare it with your job spec and flag any areas that are vastly outdated. This may help those that are less IT literate understand what it is you do.

    If you have progressed from Technician to Network Manager you should have had a new contract. It sounds like this has never been addressed and more work has just been added.

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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    Hi all.

    Overwhelming support from you guys! Can't thank you enough for all your positive replies.

    It is and has been a very hard position to hold, with just myself here for the best part of 4 years. We have circa 400 hosts here over 2 networks with 9 servers which are accessed by segmented VLAN over a Gigabit full fibre backbone. All of the work here has been done by myself. Spent loads on a site wide HP procurve solution. CISCO was to expensive.

    The thing is, this job has always been a 2 person job, realisation from SLT has only happened recently and to be truthful it has been a long time coming. As i've already said, loads of responsibility has been added to my JD with no renumeration. I have been a "YES" man since i started here and the staff here have become complaicant with that.

    Now though, the fact that i will not take on MORE resposibility is causing me problems. I have had an updated JD given/writen out, which i agreed to and signed. But nowhere on that JD does it mention Exchange, it is regardless of the fact it may not be a "WHOLE" load of work, the simple outline here is that it is additional work and responsibility for me and me alone. When "anything" goes wrong with "any" IT related equipment it is me that is called on. Even plugging in a projector if the staff don't know how - LOL. It will be the same for the exchange box. It will also be heavily used and relied on.

    The fact that i have a part time technician to help/support me is neither here nor there. It doesn't alieviate my workload, just adds to it, as there is one more thing to manage. Not that i am complaining of course. I am very grateful to my technician for the help/support provided as for too long have i been running around without my head attached lol.

    It is the principal of the additional items being added onto my JD and self worth that is paramount here, not the case of "just another e-mail server". We don't have e-mail facilities here for pupils or teachers, just admin staff. Pupils/teachers currently use hotmail accounts etc to access mail. If i take this lying down then whatever happens i'll continue to be put upon. I have to set guidelines and boundries to where i will be pushed.

    I've almost completed my CCNA and have far too much resposibility to just sit there on a less than mediocre salary. Fair is fair! Or isn't it??

    Mr.G

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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G
    It is the principal of the additional items being added onto my JD and self worth that is paramount here, not the case of "just another e-mail server". We don't have e-mail facilities here for pupils or teachers, just admin staff. Pupils/teachers currently use hotmail accounts etc to access mail. If i take this lying down then whatever happens i'll continue to be put upon. I have to set guidelines and boundries to where i will be pushed.
    Right. Adding site-wide email for all staff and students is a big issue that will certainly add to your department workload, and your overall responsibility however it is managed.

    This is important and the angle that I would attack from, I wouldn't rattle on about how it's exchange server and you saw a job advert for a full-time exchange admin once and it said the salary was.... The platform is irrelevant, the work is what is important. If your school hired a full-time minibus driver here they'd be focusing on the amount and type of driving involved, not on whether or not the vehicle came from Ford or Vauxhall.

    I've almost completed my CCNA and have far too much resposibility to just sit there on a less than mediocre salary. Fair is fair! Or isn't it??
    Absolutely. You have the right to fair compensation for your qualifications, abilities and experience. Sadly, your employer is not obliged to be the one who gives you what you deserve (I'm diplomatically reaching for 'your boss may be an idiot' here), so you should pursue this but you might also have to be prepared to find the only way to get the salary you deserve for the work you're doing is to move on.

    You might find searching public sector trade rags or online public sector jobs, and the like, find some comparable jobs to yours with a more suitable salary and use this as evidence that you deserve that rise.

    And good luck. I know my replies probably sound a bit biting and cynical (I prefer to think of myself as 'experienced' but still) but I really hope you can get that fair day's pay for your fair day's work that we all deserve, but these are questions / attitudes you will have to answer to get that payrise.

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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    Thanks Roberto,

    Another constructive post. I'm feeling confident now that Thursdays meeting with the Union will sort out any missunderstandings i may have about my job and what i should or shouldn't be doing.

    I'll let you all know how i get on an if successful with my regrade or "case" i'll make a walkthrough of what i did to tackle a tricky situation, hopefully then that will help others who may be in my position in the future!

    Thanks once again,

    Mr.G

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    Re: Urgent Help/Advice - School/UNISON

    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto
    ...If your school hired a full-time minibus driver here they'd be focusing on the amount and type of driving involved, not on whether or not the vehicle came from Ford or Vauxhall.
    Clearly you haven't worked in my school, as that is an issue in my place! Whoever thought (AKA SMT) that we would be fine with a minibus that has 16 seats and is 4.5m long instead of the old one that had 16 seats and was near enough 7m long clearly couldn't spot that there will be a compromise here! AKA you cannot take 6th formers in it and forget taking the cricket team or hockey team in it as you cannot get all the kids in and the padding in with them in the new one as its lost 2.5 meters or so in length I tell thee never let SMT buy a vehicle as they will get it wrong!

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