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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    The argument from parents is 100% irrelevant. If a parent needs to contact their child during the day, they must use the school reception to pass a message on. It is not for them to decide to disrupt their child's day. During a school day, the child is under the care of the school, not the parent.
    Lets remember - parents choose (to a reasonable degree) which schools their children go do...lets say you have two practically identical schools X and Y, only thing is Y blocks mobile phone signal - which school will the parent send their student to?

    Above all else we should look at students and parents being the schools customers - and although restricting things like internet access is a accepted fact of life mobile phone signal blocking paint/ect isnt....

    NB – not an excuse to talk about LEA student placement/catchment areas ect

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    Lets remember - parents choose (to a reasonable degree) which schools their children go do...lets say you have two practically identical schools X and Y, only thing is Y blocks mobile phone signal - which school will the parent send their student to?

    Above all else we should look at students and parents being the schools customers - and although restricting things like internet access is a accepted fact of life mobile phone signal blocking paint/ect isnt....

    NB – not an excuse to talk about LEA student placement/catchment areas ect
    Supposedly a lot of local schools are looking into it at the same time...

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    As a school governor, I would be challenging the school to demonstrate that this 'solution' would be of best value to the school... mostly to its students.

    I like your word supposedly. Realistically, everyone is going to come up with the same answer. It's too expensive to do legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    The argument from parents is 100% irrelevant. If a parent needs to contact their child during the day, they must use the school reception to pass a message on. It is not for them to decide to disrupt their child's day. During a school day, the child is under the care of the school, not the parent.
    You have nothing less than my full agreement, however, just because you're right doesn't mean they're not going to complain about it.

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    @localzuk, I was just thinking of our tour round @Soulfish 's school... even in a custom build palace like that one with evrything possible built in, they didn't resort to this to control the discipline!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsiegee40 View Post
    @localzuk, I was just thinking of our tour round @Soulfish 's school... even in a custom build palace like that one with evrything possible built in, they didn't resort to this to control the discipline!
    Is that the new one, not long built? How is he anyways?! Haven't heard from him since we met here, when he came to see the kit we were setting up for them..heh..

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    Well, I've spoken to Ofcom about it and the response is - it is illegal as it would interfere with legal services.

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    Just get a new building built like us :P They put so much metal in the walls my full 3g signal collapses the second I walk into it.

    We had to get more powerful licensed radios in order to keep in touch & put a lot more wifi points in the block to get any decent throughput from them. Annoying :P

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    Tell the school they need to use special paint from localzuk Paint Co. When the paint arrives make sure the motto is shown on the front "why the heck are you asking the IT dude when this is a site problem or should be dealt with by the LA!."

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    And would we paint over all the windows...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsiegee40 View Post
    If there was a simple, legal, cheap solution, every school (and prison) in the country would be doing it.
    RF and GSM spectrum analysers aren't too expensive and would be perfectly legal.



    If you stuck a picocell or femtocell in the room would you be able to see if there are any mobiles phones nearby (even if they aren't associated with it)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    If you stuck a picocell or femtocell in the room would you be able to see if there are any mobiles phones nearby (even if they aren't associated with it)?
    In order to operate one of them, they must be licensed. Companies like Vodafone have a license for theirs.

    I don't know how mobile phone systems work - why would a cell know who was nearby if they weren't associated with it?

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    A bit tongue in cheek here - but if the school makes the use of mobiles compulsory in lessons, they'd suddenly be very unappealing, and maybe even "accidentally" left at home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    why would a cell know who was nearby if they weren't associated with it?
    I can't seem to find it now, but I remember reading a research paper and/or slides from DefCon which explained the process. The following links might give you a basic overview...

    www.tombom.co.uk/blog/?p=262
    www-users.cs.umn.edu/~foo/research/docs/fookune_ndss_gsm.pdf (via)

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    In order to operate one of them, they must be licensed. Companies like Vodafone have a license for theirs.

    I don't know how mobile phone systems work - why would a cell know who was nearby if they weren't associated with it?
    presumably the phone would go ooh a closer network point lets try and authenticate . . . damn im not allowed on that wheres the next closest cell

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