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This is sensible in my opinion.
At zero notice, I ...
5th May 2012, 06:24 PM #1
[BBC News] U-turn signalled over no-notice inspections for schools
BBC News - U-turn signalled over no-notice inspections for schools
This is sensible in my opinion.
At zero notice, I can see the inspectors turning up and the HT not being there or there being no lessons for a targeted subject area. At least a phone call two days in advance can ensure the right people are on site.
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5th May 2012, 06:28 PM #2
I agree to some extent but one day's notice should be enough IMHO
5th May 2012, 06:31 PM #3
Fair point... I just see Ofsted wasting there time if they just turn up. Often they want to see governors too... and there's precious little chance of making a call on the day and getting the CoG on site!
Originally Posted by witch
5th May 2012, 07:19 PM #4
Pffft, the whole thing is a scam. They should have zero notice assessments. They may need to adjust the assessment criteria but getting two weeks notice is like giving them the oppertunity to assess a different school instead. They end up with stuff all of an idea what the school is really like as the full dog and poney show is trotted out for their benifit.
This is teaching unions winning again over the interests of the children being 'educated'.
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5th May 2012, 07:31 PM #5
No notice is the best notice...change criteria to come back 2 weeks later to see governors and HT etc...but just show up, and inspect lessons, show them for how they really are...every school I have worked at, soon as ofsted is mentioned, the bad kids are shipped elsewhere and the school gets seen in a different light. Teachers want things fixed that they have never even mentioned were broken, they want the earth when it comes to technology, despite never asking for it previously...it makes no sense...do things as a surprise then see the vital people at a later date.
Nothing better than seeing a school on a surprise visit.
5th May 2012, 07:57 PM #6
Points accepted... maybe it is Ofsted who have to accept the need to return at a later date should the desired people not be there.
I have just been discussing this with a teacher friend who was subjected to a trial no notice inspection... and she much preferred it to an inspection with notice.
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5th May 2012, 08:03 PM #7
I know what you mean but that is why I said 1 day, or even 2. There is certainly not time, even in two weeks, to sort out a school and make it 'good' by Ofsted's criteria, because the data and results just wouldnt be there anyway. And any Ofsted inspector who couldnt see through the 'titivating' to the real school, doesn't deserve the title of inspector.
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5th May 2012, 08:28 PM #8
I don't know if this is true but I heard that there was an article in the Telegraph about a PE teacher being given an unsatisfactory observation during a games lesson because some of the pupils were standing around doing very little. They were fielding in a cricket match! It does seem that some Ofsted inspectors really have little idea?
5th May 2012, 08:30 PM #9
What gets me is that the backing down is coming due to heads complaining about it being invasive or that it treats the profession of teaching like they're bad or something.
That response is typical of the reaction to monitoring I've seen from other aspects of teaching too - for example in my last school there was a proposal to put CCTV cameras in the IT rooms, but one of the rooms was controlled by a single teacher and she refused as she felt like we'd be spying on her - so vandalism continued in that room and we couldn't get it sorted out.
They're all missing the point - the only way to ensure quality of work and to ensure things aren't going wrong is through outside input. I had an ICT audit earlier this year and I welcomed them with open arms - I want to know if I'm doing something wrong, its the only way I can improve!
Why does being inspected with no notice mean they're being treated badly? Surely the right response would be to go 'ok, a new challenge, lets do the best we can for our kids'?
5th May 2012, 09:09 PM #10
The Head not being around should not be an issue as someone has the legal authority delegated to them whilst they are away (usually the DH). This is an area that falls under the quality of leadership in and management of the school.
6th May 2012, 10:21 AM #11
Even one or two days gives the teachers ample time to actually do planning, move pupils etc. It also creates the disruptive and abusive behaviour as the school scrambles. TBH it is a teacher wellbeing thing, I would think that they would preffer not being in a fight or flight pannic condition for two weeks while they prepare and are pushed by smt to do better. They would be better off just being assessed quickly and the full truth comming out.
Originally Posted by witch
You would think that the assessor would be able to pick up on the whitewash but even if they are good they could still easily miss things that have been well hidden.
Any other profession complining about not being notified a good time in advance that they were going to be assessed would be questioned about what they were trying to hide. Why are teachers so different?
6th May 2012, 10:47 AM #12
Because very few other professionals are treated so un-professionally by our govements
Why are teachers so different?
Ofsted inspections are like having the Spanish Inqusition desceding on you
Imagine an ICT inspector comes in and finds that some of you laptops aren't making the standard for boot up time - you argue that they have slow processors and that the seek times aren't as good as the other ones. This cuts no ice with the inspectors and they label your network as "satisfactory". The next day, some "experts" come in from your ISP to show you how to spend in-ordinate amounts of time and effort to make these slow laptops match the "average" boot time.
6th May 2012, 11:04 AM #13
Surely other jobs are also assessed and the penalties are probably worse than additional training, like disciplinary action, suspention or being fired. Its not like teachers are alone in being assessed. Perhaps ICT is not assessed as much as they have shown time and again that they don't think that is is that important or difficult until they need it.
Originally Posted by SimpleSi
TBH would it not be good if when there was a problem it was highlighted and help provided, even if it was experts to give new ideas on how to do things better or at least come in and say that its slow because... your computers are junk. It does not really sound to much like a punnishment, more like free and enforced research.
7th May 2012, 03:40 PM #14
That doesn't give them excuse to work to a level below what OFSTED and the government expects. If they can do it for the days that Ofsted are in then they can do it all year round.
Originally Posted by SimpleSi
If some things checked are not relevant - like documented lesson plans - why don't the unions take issue with this with Ofsted rather than threats of strikes?
And I'd love to see Ofsted see how they talk to support staff during inspection times - a member of staff had a go at one of my team for a non functioning projector that had allegedly been broken for a week - but not reported (it was turned off at the wall). When I asked the staff member if they had any back-up lesson plan for eventualities like this, they looked blankly at me.
There is no excuse for shouting or unprofessionalism. Are they same with the students when under pressure?
Personally I'd welcome an OFSTED for ICT Support. We work to the same level day in, day out. We don't rush round doing stuff that should already be in place for when an inspection is due.
Every day's notice gives an extra day to tart or cover something up. I've seen many examples of this over the years, from rapid redecoration to six months worth of unmarked work rapidly group marked.
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8th May 2012, 12:06 AM #15
You know - I'm constantly amazed at the ability of my fellow edugeekers to provide and run a faultless service everyday of the year surrounded by incompetent and lazy teachers and SMT.
Now unless I was working in the military or a nuclear power station where non-readiness to deal with emergencies could lead to fatal consequences, I'd hope that as a human being and employee that I could be given a bit of notice of an inspection so that I could present my best foot forward. (Like I used to in my previous job with QA inspections)
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