j17sparky (28th March 2012)
sted (28th March 2012)
And the whole regime was tired and stale, the country was ready for a change. The Tories needed time in opposition to re brand and change. And for a time it was a change of good. But then the honeymoon period ended.
But there is an issue with certain people having problems with their political memories. They see Thatcher as the ultimate evil who stole milk (yet Labour did it first, funny how nobody remembers that). They also remember the miners strike, but don't remember the problem about UK coal being too sulphurous, and quickly forgot how Brown was one of the most disliked PMs in recent times, ID cards, PFIs and BSF and so on.
BBC News | UK POLITICS | Pressure mounts over Ecclestone cash
What you have to remember is that business, particuarly big business will support whoever it thinks is going to get in power next. You can go back theough the BBC news site and see exactly teh same thing going on between all the parties. When the Conservatives were voted out in 97 one of the primary reasons was because there was personal scandal after personal scandal (and the fact that they had stagnated as a ruling party which happens to all of them in the end), where as when Labour were voted out it was becoming political scandal after political scandal (and stagnation).
Ultimately, very few people get the Government they voted for - certainly nowhere near the majority. Governments tend to average considerably less than 40% of the overall vote, which means the majority of people who voted didn't vote for them. People tend to vote by bias or trend 'It's time for a change' rather than policies. My view of politicians has diminished enomously over the years, and the cynic in me now believes the majority have the following priorities: self, sponsors, party, with the public trailing in last. The longer a Government is in power the more likely its good vs bad barometer is liable to even out; they all tend to do a bit of both, but they are all stymied by public expectations: we want everything, but we don't really want to pay for it, thanks.
BBC News - Labour suspends three ex-ministers over lobbying claims
Three former ministers have been suspended from the Parliamentary Labour Party "for bringing it into disrepute".
Stephen Byers, Patricia Hewitt and Geoff Hoon are under investigation over their apparent willingness to help a lobbying firm in return for cash.
The thing is you can do this tit-for-tat arguing between parties endlessly (like with the milk thing), that's politics for you.
But there are some good politicians out there. My former local MP spent years tirelessly doing local work and in every newsletter never bothered to put in any nasty stories about his rivals, even though they constantly threw muck around.
1997 - Bernie Eccelstone donation, election fraud (Fiona Jones MP)
1998 - Robin cook nobbing his secretary, lobbying scandal 1, Peter Mandelson's mortgages, lobbying scandal 2, Nick Brown MP hiring rent boys, Lord Irvine's £650,000 redecotration of his office, Ron 'Shagger' Davies.
I can do the next 12 years if you like, but that's just a taster. Or, if you prefer you can buy "The Big Red Book of New Labour Sleaze" and remind yourself of those halcyon days.
aerospacemango (28th March 2012)
mattx (29th March 2012)
Same old Tories, blaming Labour........
Gibbo (29th March 2012)
Anyway, what was the point of the discussion? Wasn't it that Der Torays Are Evul? I hardly think it's worth 'discussing' that, since it's the product of the Guardian. We might as well pull up an editorial by the Sun and discuss it since it's of the same intellectual calibre.
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