witch (28th March 2012)
witch (28th March 2012)
We've had bad governments all the way since the late 60's/early 70's, doesn't matter what flavour. The only common factor in that time is the power grab by the EU which has made our government pretty pointless anyway. We now either need to become the United States of Europe or leave the EU to sort the current mess out.
The Conservatives are the nasty medicine we all have to take after several years partying with Labour. It doesn't mean what they do, or how they go about it it right, or even 'fair' (I hate that phrase being used by politicians), but the fact remains we (the UK as a country) couldn't go on as we have been doing since 1997. There was no money left. At all, and considering the only money politicians have is our money and they have a deficit it is to us they will come and claw more back from.
The thing that annoys me about this is - if the governments of the world could all agree, by treaty, to put in place, say, a 0.5% financial transaction tax, we could basically get rid of income tax entirely... But no one country, or group of countries could do it without the agreement of all others. Otherwise, it'll just mean banks all move to countries without that charge.
does bank money (other than wages) actually matter though its all made up paper money that in theory means something but is actually worthless?
Money itself is worthless; it's a notion.
Interestingly, it started out with early bankers who issued receipts for gold deposits. People started trading these receipts instead of the gold (or whatever else was deposited), and money started. The most amazing thing followed, whereby the bankers issued more money than they had in the safe, fueled by the demand for credit. As long as there was no "run" on the bank, this worked and is still working today.
We trust money as a unit of commodity; we all subscribe to the notion that it has value.
it's a representation of debt.
If money vanished, society could not function. If we vanished, money would simply vanish as it has no meaning outside of us.
Last edited by jinnantonnixx; 28th March 2012 at 10:47 AM.
Only the other day my mate said the propergander quote passed down through the generations of "those bloody Tories". When I asked him why he didn't actually know why and resorted back to "in the 80s..." - neither of us are old enough to remember the 80s!
My personal take:
Did Labour fumble the ball when they had it? Hell yes! Are some of them crooks? Of course! (I'm looking at you, Tory B. Liar). However, as a Party they seem to want to do some good for the "average" person, even if they do make a hash of it. On the other hand the Tories seem dedicated to creating a ruling elite with the rest of us knocked back to serf status.
If the Country was better off after 18 years of Thatcherite Tory rule, why did the electorate kick them out?
You can ask the same question after New Labours reign came to an end.....
One thing that cannot be disputed; we are all governed now by a Government that nobody voted for......
The Conservatives 'conned' the Lib Dems into a coalition, Nick Clegg was so desperate for a taste of power he sold out his party........
Meanwhile New Labour were probably relieved to have lost, because it was an election that nobody could win convincingly.
We are run by a millionaires club now. The party of self-interest rules, with lib-dems increasingly embarrassed by their leaders, meanwhile not so New Labour sits on the sidelines feeling sorry for itself.
It infuriates me every time I think about it; in what kind of a democracy do the people get a government that not only weren't voted for but in fact didn't exist as a candidate! Of course it's obvious that we have a Tory government whatever spin they put on it, but they did not win the vote and should not be in power. Then of course there's the fact the House of Lords have final say on any laws being passed (over ride any votes) and the EU have their say too... so tell me, just what is my vote worth?
aerospacemango (28th March 2012)
Unfortunately a combination of Labour getting it badly wrong, short voter memories, and the lack of any real choice in who to vote for has lead to another Tory Emperor.
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