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    Quote Originally Posted by NikChillin View Post
    Oh yes! Those breast implants....
    Once again I've made a thread stray into adult territory.

    X-13? Nope, I'm the pervy sage.

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    Back to the original topic, it will be interesting to see people coding again. I for one think its an advantage having coding skills along with office skills etc, but the problem then becomes, how do you stop people copying code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    but the problem then becomes, how do you stop people copying code.
    Disable internet access and only allow the coding software to be run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    but the problem then becomes, how do you stop people copying code.
    # proper documentation in the code, if they cant explain how it works they cant use it

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Back to the original topic, it will be interesting to see people coding again. I for one think its an advantage having coding skills along with office skills etc, but the problem then becomes, how do you stop people copying code.
    I wouldn't mind people reusing code as long as they understood it. Ask them to change part of it, explain any algorithms used, explain what assumptions or dependencies it has etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJonas View Post
    # proper documentation in the code, if they cant explain how it works they cant use it
    Ok....2 people have identical code and identical documentation...both have the same amount of understanding in the subject...who has copied who.

    This is the downside to coding, as you can't be sure on these things even if you grill the students!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Ok....2 people have identical code and identical documentation...both have the same amount of understanding in the subject...who has copied who.

    This is the downside to coding, as you can't be sure on these things even if you grill the students!
    Use a code repositry which tracks changes, first one to submit the code wins ;-)

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    Now *THAT* is a genius idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Back to the original topic, it will be interesting to see people coding again. I for one think its an advantage having coding skills along with office skills etc, but the problem then becomes, how do you stop people copying code.
    I don't see why you'd want to - code reuse and repurposing has a long and noble tradition.

    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Ok....2 people have identical code and identical documentation...both have the same amount of understanding in the subject...who has copied who.

    This is the downside to coding, as you can't be sure on these things even if you grill the students!
    The same applies with essays though, it's not unique to coding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesb View Post
    I don't see why you'd want to - code reuse and repurposing has a long and noble tradition.
    Surely if 2 students submitted the same piece of work to be marked that is exactly identical then that would be plagiarism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apeo View Post
    Surely if 2 students submitted the same piece of work to be marked that is exactly identical then that would be plagiarism?
    Yes but who plagarised who? One of the things with programming is that sometimes the code from 2 people can end up being identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Yes but who plagarised who? One of the things with programming is that sometimes the code from 2 people can end up being identical.
    easily solved: one of them needs to get to the patent office first.

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    @localzuk: True, but I guess it depends on the complexity of what they are trying to achieve. I guess if it was something really simple then there is a potential for code to be pretty identical but if its not really simple then surely at most you would have elements similar but not identical.

    @CyberNerd: LOL, or post a copy of the code to self.

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    I was at Gove's speech and have a video of most of it ... and I did try to doorstep him on his way out of BETT to ask him a question about procurement / advice / child protection but his people moved him on ... I didn't even have my face paint on!

    I have also been speaking with a few teachers, SLT, NMs and suppliers over the last few days (including some involved in Open Source, Computing at School, etc) and will put up a report after BETT.

    There are a few key points though for the support staff in schools that seem pretty clear but a lot which could be misconstrued. The best things is to work with those already actively involved in both CS and exciting ICT lessons to try to make sure your schools are also doing good things. It is not about being perceived as a blocker, but someone who gets things done and makes things work ... so we could be back to the miracle worker scenario again.

    Anyway ... I'll see what other comments come up over the next 2 days as well. It will also to put a bit of daylight between the speech and careful thought about what it means and the implications of it.

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    At my place since taking IT inhouse we have started doing ICT Club which we have started doing programming and webdesign inconjunction with the ICT Teachers. I have been asked to start putting some input in but i'm too busy this academic year. Next year I will probably teach PC repair and some basic networking like that did when I was at college 10 years ago. I did do a motherboard swap infront of a group of students one lunchtime who really enjoyed it and their begging me to teach them the 7 layer OSI model.

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