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General Chat Thread, A very very tough choice..... in General; i would love to say the ATI, however my reasons for recommending the Nvidia card is simply because there have ...
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    i would love to say the ATI, however my reasons for recommending the Nvidia card is simply because there have been alot of games recently that have performance and texture issues with the ATI cards...

    HARDOCP - Skyrim: Performance and IQ - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Performance & IQ Preview - skyrim

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    MSI AMD Radeon HD 6950 Twin Frozr III PE/OC 2048MB GDDR5 is my choice so far, apparently you can unlock the extra shaders or something on it too?
    Im 99% sure you cant do that on these ones, only the standard ones. I got 2 MSI6950 reference cards which had the dual bios so it was no problem, but as the Twin Frozr isnt reference, im not sure if you can flash them (I believe the dual bios isnt there?) I could be wrong, definitely worth a bit of research if you want to go down this route.

    My choice would be (and was!) the 6950. Cracking cards!

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    Sorry for double post, but will just drop this here also:

    AnandTech - Bench - GPU11

    Hope this helps!

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    @CHR1S ah that may well be the case. If you can get a 2GB card for decent money, there's obviously no reason not to.

    As for drivers, the development team have at least been pretty hot recently on patching for issues. Lots of driver releases to help

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3s-gtech View Post
    @CHR1S ah that may well be the case. If you can get a 2GB card for decent money, there's obviously no reason not to.

    As for drivers, the development team have at least been pretty hot recently on patching for issues. Lots of driver releases to help
    Apparently BF3 has something like 1.4Gb of textures in memory with ultra detail set. If it cant fit it into memory it cant shift it in and out of 1Gb ram fast enough, hence the glitching.

    MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition Unlocking - Unlocking Guide

    Looky what I found Fingers crossed I dont get a laser cut one!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    Apparently BF3 has something like 1.4Gb of textures in memory with ultra detail set. If it cant fit it into memory it cant shift it in and out of 1Gb ram fast enough, hence the glitching.

    MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition Unlocking - Unlocking Guide

    Looky what I found Fingers crossed I dont get a laser cut one!!
    Looks good, but from what i can tell theres no dual-bios. So not as much room for error when flashing.

    Also for what its worth, a quick comparison of 1gb vs 2gb: ** 2GB GFX RAM VS 1GB GFX RAM IN BF3 (560Ti 1GB VS 560Ti 2GB) TESTING RESULTS! - Overclockers UK Forums

    Hope this helps a bit more

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    I dislike ATi with a passion so nVidia all the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshaw View Post
    I dislike ATi with a passion so nVidia all the way
    Glad it's not just me. ATi cards were the bane of my life in my last job...

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    Opinion on each does swing about depending on the user. I like AMD (ATI) stuff, we have a huge number of Radeon 9600s still doing good work here, and now a number of 5570s. Several machines with integrated 3200/4250 too. No problems at all. The Nvidia stuff is alright, but we have some FX3500s that run like leaf blowers on idle, and the Nvidia 9400 integrated chipset in our Acer X270s and iMacs is poo.

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    Hmm, do Matrox still exist

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    Looky what I found Fingers crossed I don't get a laser cut one!!
    Have you seen Sapphire's Radeon HD 6950 Toxic Edition (~270)? It's a 6950 which comes with an additional 6970 BIOS from the factory. Just flip the switch on the card to the second position to unlock the extra shaders. It can't get any easier than that.

    1408 Shader BIOS and 1536 Shader BIOS
    The SAPPHIRE TOXIC HD6950 has a BIOS switch that allows you to choose between a standard HD 6950 BIOS with 1408 Shaders, or an HD 6970 BIOS with 1536 Shaders. Many HD 6950's can be flashed to an HD 6970 BIOS, but this one comes with it already done for you. SAPPHIRE has made it extremely easy to possibly get a lot more performance out of this video card. SAPPHIRE does not guarantee that all the extra shaders will work for the card, or that you will receive any performance gain by using it. We did see a noticeable performance increase when switching to the 1536 Shader BIOS however, but your millage may vary. It was with this BIOS switch, and overclocking, we were able to beat an HD 6970 and GTX 580 with this video card. (Source)
    If you want to play BF3 at 1920x1080 on Ultra at a decent framerate, you may be better off with a GTX 580 (~480 for one with 3GB RAM). Alternatively, you could do what HilcrRWise suggested and wait a month or two for the 7950 or 7970. These should be faster than the 69xx Series Radeon's and use less power too.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    Why not the GTX 580 or 590?
    Technically the GTX 590 only has 1.5GB RAM, because the 3GB is split between the two GPUs.

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    Technically the GTX 590 only has 1.5GB RAM, because the 3GB is split between the two GPUs.
    Not sure if this video will work but plenty of videos on youtube of BF 3 on the ultra setting using a 590http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnu8vscAhHY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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    The 580 is a beast - but all of those top cards are in a different league price wise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    Not sure if this video will work but plenty of videos on YouTube of BF3 on the ultra setting using a 590
    I suppose it depends on the resolution you play at, the quality settings and whether you're in a single or multi-player map. There seem to be tons of variables with BF3.

    BF3 is not playable in 64/64 multiplayer in Ultra Settings preset on ANY map at 2560x1600. None, nada, ZIP. Unplayable. There's no network lag or anything like that. The four GTX 590 GPUs just struggle to render those damn frames at 2560x1600 on any multiplayer server with more than 50 players.

    It's perfectly smooth in campaign mode, but who the hell plays BF3 in campaign mode? It's also butter smooth at ANY lower resolution. If you crank the resolution one notch down, it's very smooth. (Source)
    According to Tom's Hardware, you will still get stuttering with a GTX 580.

    It’s entirely possible to get a good experience out of a GeForce GTX 580 at 1920x1080 or lower, though in real-world game play you still run into occasional stuttering.

    A GeForce GTX 570 handles 1680x1050 pretty well. However, I’m willing to bet that you didn’t buy a $300+ card to play on a 17” screen. Two GTX 570s should handle Ultra quality with aplomb at 1920x1080. (Source)
    nVidia's own benchmarks show the GTX 590 having more-or-less the same FPS at 1080p as a GTX 580. For a 620-792 card that is rather strange.




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