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    Quote Originally Posted by creese View Post
    BBC News - Millions more in line for tax rebates

    'It is estimated these will cost the government more than £2bn.'

    Why will it? It wasn't and isn't the government's money.
    Sorry I don't understand your point, of course it will cost the government money, people gave them too much money and they have to give it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    Sorry I don't understand your point, of course it will cost the government money, people gave them too much money and they have to give it back.
    That's where I'm going wrong. For 40 odd years I was under the impression the government TOOK money from me. Believe me if I had realised I was giving, I would have cancelled the standing order.

    Off to call the bank now.

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    If a body works out a sum they want and need, a budget if you like. They take that amount and more, they give the more back, apart from the bank fees and postage, it's not costing them as the costings were worked out years ago. If bank fees and postage cost £2bn the government need to look at bank charges and the Post Office charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creese View Post
    That's where I'm going wrong. For 40 odd years I was under the impression the government TOOK money from me. Believe me if I had realised I was giving, I would have cancelled the standing order.

    Off to call the bank now.
    Ok ok I'll rephrase, the government took too much money from some people, now they have to give it back.
    Again, how does this not cost the government?

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    I think you're arguing semantics here - the Government has £2bn less to play with than it thought it had. Saying that it's lost this money doesn't negate the fact that it shouldn't have had it in the first place.

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    I'm going to bet that I don't see any rebate.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by creese View Post
    If a body works out a sum they want and need, a budget if you like. They take that amount and more, they give the more back, apart from the bank fees and postage, it's not costing them as the costings were worked out years ago. If bank fees and postage cost £2bn the government need to look at bank charges and the Post Office charges.
    I don't think the tax system works like that.
    The government can project what it will raise in tax based on the tax rules in place and plan accordingly with the estimated budget, but it can't possible set up the tax system to raise a specific amount, the logistics involved would be impossible. Remember that in the past, government have been surprised by both large under and over projections of the tax income.
    In this situation the taxman has made a mistake in calculating some people's NICs meaning the money has come into the government's bank account and spent. Therefore they now have to find £2bn to refund the affected people.

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    People give too much money.
    Gov are all "We have an extra 2bn!"
    Gov plan for extra 2bn.
    Gov PFY goes "Hey errr guys, we have charged them too much and someone cottoned on!"
    Gov gives people back 2bn.
    Gov now has a big 2bn hole in their coffers as they planned to make use of that money somewhere and now they don't have it.
    (Gov do stealth tax increase in near future? ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by creese View Post
    Because the BBC/Guardian believes that everyone's wealth belongs to the government to do with as they see fit.

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    I think everyone who is owed the refund should do the decent thing and let the government keep it. They probably didn't realise they had been diddled, so they won't miss it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laserblazer View Post
    I think everyone who is owed the refund should do the decent thing and let the government keep it. They probably didn't realise they had been diddled, so they won't miss it.
    why the govenment tax us for every little thing why should we give any back why should you pay more than you "fair share" id be more bothered about large companies using loopholes to pay back stupidly small amounts. Besides they would only waste the money anyway

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    Didn't they just 'QE' £75bn into existence? They should have made it a nice £77bn and swept this under the carpet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creese View Post
    If a body works out a sum they want and need, a budget if you like. They take that amount and more, they give the more back, apart from the bank fees and postage, it's not costing them as the costings were worked out years ago. If bank fees and postage cost £2bn the government need to look at bank charges and the Post Office charges.
    Why would it be not costing them? Interest is being paid back also. Not to mention, there is also the 900,000 underpayments of £300 or less being written off. It all adds up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Why would it be not costing them? Interest is being paid back also. Not to mention, there is also the 900,000 underpayments of £300 or less being written off. It all adds up.
    but it is their mistake if they cant do the sums maybe the tax system needs to be simpler

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