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    Quick someone metion Hitler and prove Godwins Law before this thread is made any more ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disease View Post
    So where would be be now without th industrial revolution, or did that happen in the last 30 years, or the invention of the wheel or wasthat in the last 30 years etc. etc.
    Once again, you're making the assumption that a claim that the last 30 years has made more progress than the previous history of man means that all previous progress is being ignored. It doesn't mean that at all.

    Stop thinking about these things in such a belligerent and stubborn way. We have gone from having a device the size of a house that can do sums to having a computer more powerful than that which put us on the moon in 30ish years.

    Just because a lot of the older achievements were massively changing and far between (eg. fire, the wheel, electricity, mass production etc...), doesn't mean new achievements aren't as far reaching. Look at the mobile phone. Go to many third world countries and now each village, which used to be completely cut off from the world, will have some form of phone in it.

    Look at the web. 30 years ago, the only way you could buy something was to go to your local shop. Now, you can order anything from anywhere from the comfort of your living room. Is that not as huge as the industrial revolution? I think it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disease View Post
    I am sorry, now there is a prime example of over hyping, what a load of old tosh (no pun intended).
    I don't believe it is and if you read what I said carefully, I'm not giving Jobs sole credit as a catalyst[*1] - there were a large number of people who drove the personal computer revolution. I don't think it is hype to say that technology has underpinned huge changes in the last 30 years, nor really to say that that change can be compared to the entire change over the last 3000 years. Just take the amount of data processed by something like the LHC - that itself is generating a quantity of information in a year larger than the entire output of human scribblings over thousands of years up to the 1900's. Progress and advances in almost every area have been accelerating exponentially and that is largely due to our ability to handle and process more information faster than ever before. The cornerstone of that ability is the personal computer.

    [*1] I'm not actually a big fan of Steve Jobs, I don't like the way Apple has treated a lot of app developers for instance, but Jobs did make a huge contribution to an industry I'm passionate about. I find it impossible not to have a huge respect for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    The cornerstone of that ability is the personal computer.
    If I were to be pedantic (I know, highly unlikely of me!) you could say the cornerstone is electricity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK-2 View Post
    If I were to be pedantic (I know, highly unlikely of me!) you could say the cornerstone is electricity.
    You could, but then you would be misunderstanding my point (my fault for expressing it badly). It's the ability to store and process information that is important and Jobs and people like him put that into the hands of ordinary people. The computer was no longer something hidden away in the IT department, attended on by specialists.

    Anyway, despite not being a fanboi my post was more about me expressing respect for Steve Jobs and trying to give a sense of why I feel that respect is deserved (perhaps because I'm not a fanboi), rather than wanting to make substantive points and have a debate on the exact meaning of them. I'm a child of the personal computer revolution - in 1977 I was gawk eyed infront of AIM 65's, EMMA's, KIM's and Commodore PET's trying to bend those machines to my will. Jobs, Gates, Sinclair, Zaks, Tramiel - these names and more (certainly Moore!) all stand like giants in my mind and what they bought to the world has had an impact so huge that it really is difficult to quantify it without that sounding like hype.

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    Steve Jobs Stanford Commencement Speech 2005 - YouTube


    ^ Some background Information about Steve, Said by Steve!

    Here we see Steve Jobs delivering his commencement speech to the graduates of Stanford University in 2005. In it he talks about getting fired from Apple in 1985, life & death.
    Last edited by EduTech; 6th October 2011 at 06:06 PM.

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    It's all a bit much. Regardless of the opinions of many, and Apple do split so many, I will remind this isn't about Apple but about Mr Jobs himself. Yes he did questionable things. So have most of us in our lifetimes - but our decisions have never been quite so public, or with millions of fans/haters watching every move you make. I've already said I really dislike Apple as a company and I rarely bother commenting on their products because it often produces too much bother. Just like religions, it is disrespectful to mock someone for their beliefs and the same applies here.
    I gave neg rep to Disease (and said it was me) because I think what was said was a little out of line and perhaps said with too much bias. That's my opinion but let's PLEASE not start another "wtf reputation" argument again. I think no less of Disease for that, nor for his stated opinions.
    I'd ideally liked to have just seen this as a tribute thread, but with someone in Jobs' position it was never going to be that clear cut and opinions will be divided. Let's respect each-other's opinions, not take offence at one another and just get on with our lives in the manner we see fit.

    RIP Steve; your input to the world in which we work has shaped a lot. Chaos theory has a lot to answer for but could anyone say we'd be typing this here in this manner on this type of forum on this sort of computer without him?

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    Watch this, I love it but admit the productions are crap! (pirates of silcon valley)

    Last edited by ZeroHour; 6th October 2011 at 06:27 PM.

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    I love Pirates of Silicon Valley. I was hoping The Social Network was going to be like it. Ah well.

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    Steve Jobs - Rest In Peace-article-2045903-0e42406a00000578-993_636x240.jpg

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    RIP Steve Jobs, thanks for moving the world on from beige computers....

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    Really sad time, RIP Steve Jobs.

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    One of my favourite quotes...

    Computers are like a bicycle for our minds - Steve Jobs

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