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    The anti-piracy brigade is out again in the government

    Following my last post about the piracy thing with BT blocking sites using CleanFeed, the "culture secretary" has launched a massive anti-piracy stance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Hunt
    Unlawfully distributing copyrighted material is theft - and a direct assault on the freedoms and rights of creators of content to be rewarded fairly for their efforts
    I'm sure we've been there before, it shouldn't be classified as theft and it is wrong to assume all who pirate would have gone out and bought music/video/game/app in the first place.

    What worries me are the proposed measures in place for the new Communications Act coming in to place in 2015:

    A cross-industry body, perhaps modelled on the Internet Watch Foundation, to be charged with identifying infringing websites against which action could be taken
    (Probably a cross industry body who profits from big companies and it would be in their best interest to take action against sites which supposedly harm these big companies. I don't have any confidence this will be a neutral body who would be able to say "sorry big company X, that site isn't infringing, we will leave it alone")

    A streamlined legal process to make it possible for the courts to act quickly
    (again, worrying in the fact that things will be pushed through courts quickly by big companies who can afford to do it, and lean on officials to make it happen.)


    It's already been reported that newzbin2 (the website being blocked to the UK by BT's cleanfeed system) is working on a program that people can download and will give them access to the site.

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    The thing that gets me is they are constantly moving towards a 'shoot first ask questions later' approach. ie. guilty until proven innocent.

    Much like in the USA where the FBI can now shut down a domain name for counterfeit goods sellers without a court order, doing this can damage legitimate businesses and sites who are unfairly targeted.

    What happened to the old idea of innocent until proven guilty and being entitled to a fair trial?

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    What a Jhunt!

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    Unlawfully distributing copyrighted material is theft - and a direct assault on the freedoms and rights of creators of content to be rewarded fairly for their efforts

    He really is talking out of his backside. Copyright infringement isn't theft, it's copyright infringement. The content creators can be rewarded fairly when they start treating the consumer fairly. How about sorting out the mess of it still being in breach of copyright to rip a cd to mp3, how about allowing ebooks to be given/sold on rather than crippling them with DRM, how about selling stuff at sensible prices rather than trying to rip us off all the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teejay View Post
    Unlawfully distributing copyrighted material is theft - and a direct assault on the freedoms and rights of creators of content to be rewarded fairly for their efforts

    Copyright infringement isn't theft, it's copyright infringement.
    my thoughts exactly. if copyright infringement is a crime and theft is a crime, how can one be another. its like saying we need to be harsh on murderers because murder is theft as you are stealing a life

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    The thing that gets me is they are constantly moving towards a 'shoot first ask questions later' approach. ie. guilty until proven innocent.
    To be fair to them, we don't use sites like that for "Legit" reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teejay View Post
    Unlawfully distributing copyrighted material is theft
    As Teejay said, it's not theft in the traditional sense because nothing goes missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas08 View Post
    To be fair to them, we don't use sites like that for "Legit" reasons.
    Is it not the case that a judge and jury should make that decision, rather than some jumped up bureaucrat in an office, trying to make is rich friends richer?

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    rights of creators of content to be rewarded fairly for their efforts
    Surely by now, the film and record industry must be close to collapse under the weight of their own hypocrisy.

    Reward creators for their efforts? Is this the same industry who gave us the notion of "Hollywood accounting" which deliberately sets out to defraud the same said creators?

    I quote
    Winston Groom's price for the screenplay rights to his novel Forrest Gump included a share of the profits; however, due to Hollywood accounting, the film's commercial success was converted into a net loss, and Groom received nothing.[7] That being so, he has refused to sell the screenplay rights to the novel's sequel, stating that he "cannot in good conscience allow money to be wasted on a failure".

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    While I'm in the mood...

    Look at the sums at the end of the article.

    The Problem With Music

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    Hopefully they'll never go further than messing with DNS... places like newzbin have just started giving out IP's instead so access continues

    its either that or its time to start using something like VyprVPN for everything

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    Sorry to repeat myself (well not really sorry) but here goes...

    My son is hoping to make a career as a singer/songwriter...how does he make a living at it if people feel free to distribute his work to each other on the basis that as they have bought one copy then it's fair enough to pass it on to their friends...or even to millions of people they don't know via P2P sites?

    Oh and yes I did sometimes make a copy of a record or tape for a friend back in the day so I am guilty of the same offence...but it was only an occasional copy...not uploading the stuff for countless numbers of users to download...

    And while I am venting my spleen...how is this sort of "sharing" different from those who helped themselves to goods from shops during the riots because they had already been broken into?

    And finally, I am really tired of hearing the old "rip-off" argument...it's only a rip-off if you are daft enough to buy at the offered price..if you think something is too expensive then don't buy it...if enough people vote with their wallets then the price will soon come down...caveat emptor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jinnantonnixx View Post
    It's going to get even worse for the majority of artists now that the EU has extended musical copyright by another 20 years.

    It took three years of doing, but the music industry has finally won its European battle to lock up in-copyright sound recordings for another 20 years. Looking forward to The Beatles' music entering the public domain as the 50-year copyright terms expires? Not going to happen.

    The Council of the European Union, where the various member state governments all have a say, voted yesterday (PDF) without discussion to increase the copyright term in sound recordings from 50 to 70 years. Small countries like Belgium, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Sweden voted against the extension, but it passed anyway. (Source)
    "72 percent of the financial benefits from term extension will accrue to record labels. Of the 28 percent that will go to artists, most of the money will go to superstar acts, with only 4 percent benefiting those musicians mentioned in the European Council press release as facing an 'income gap at the end of their life times.' Many performers also do not appear to understand that the proposal would lead to a redistribution of income from living to dead artists." (Source)
    Using The Beatles as an example, it would mean that their music won't enter the public domain until 70 years after the death of the last band member. Since Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr are still alive it could be protected until the start of the next century!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CESIL View Post
    My son is hoping to make a career as a singer/songwriter... how does he make a living at it if people feel free to distribute his work
    Do what many artists do these days (Trent Reznor and Radiohead being the obvious examples) and sell the music directly to consumers in whatever format they want (MP3, FLAC etc.) for a reasonable price.

    Radiohead's contract with EMI/Capitol expired after its last record, Hail to the Thief, was released in 2003; shortly before the band started writing new songs, singer Thom Yorke told TIME, "I like the people at our record company, but the time is at hand when you have to ask why anyone needs one. And, yes, it probably would give us some perverse pleasure to say 'F___ you' to this decaying business model." (Source)

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    Well maybe by the time my son is releasing his seventh or eight album he will have made enough money to consider doing the same as Radiohead and Trent Reznor and giving away his work...



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