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General Chat Thread, e-petition demands axing of benefits for rioters in General; has anyone signed this petition? Convicted London rioters should loose all benefits. - e-petitions BBC News - Top e-petition demands ...
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    e-petition demands axing of benefits for rioters


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    Personally I just wish the e-petitions site would actually work!
    Have visited it a number of times over the past week and only once did I get close to signing up for anything

    Yet another government IT project that doesn’t work…….

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    problem with those petitions is they get 100k signatures and get "discussed" by back benchers in their "busy" days.
    so they sit down, "shall we axe benefits?" "nah, next" and thats probably the thought process of most of the petitions.
    they will listen, read, take note of all the points, doesn't mean they will do anything remotely connected to it.

    i mean if the "bring back death penalty" got to 100k votes, do you think they would have a serious conversation about it, or just sit for 5 mins sipping tea then move on

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    It's been shared around Facebook a lot.

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    The credibility of this one may have been enhanced by proof reading it.

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    From the BBC article:

    Asked about the e-petition, a spokesperson for the Department of Work and Pensions said that, under current arrangements, "any benefit recipient who is convicted of an offence and is imprisoned, will lose their benefit entitlement".
    Can't read the e-petition as the site is down, so can anyone tell me what is different about the suggestion from what is apparently already the case as per the above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryTechnician View Post
    From the BBC article:



    Can't read the e-petition as the site is down, so can anyone tell me what is different about the suggestion from what is apparently already the case as per the above?
    I suspect that what they want is to remove the benefits from any rioter, whether imprisoned or not. Presumably this is to stop them rioting and just concentrate on mugging, house breaking, car theft and any other means that they can use to replace the money they are no longer getting from the state.

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    It's a nice sentiment but it won't happen.

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    Yes axe the benefits of the poor so they have to commit more crime to survive.

    I understand some of the people involved are better off but tarring everyone with the same brush is ridiculous.

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    Certainly some kind of reprimand is required but it should be on a case by case basis - jail time, community service and loss of benefits seem to be the key ones people are talking about.
    Maybe we should be looking at getting them out in 3rd world countries handing out meals to the starving would help….

    Just made it on to the site as well - the petition is up to 97,189.

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    It's dangerous territory though isn't it? If they're caught they'll be given fines/jail time/community service. Removing benefits is tantamount to saying steal or die of starvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangescott View Post
    die of starvation.
    That sounds like fun....... oh no wait...they are actually human beings with human rights - darn it!

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    the problem is its a vicious circle.

    i am unemployed, so on benefits. i have just rioted, and now lose benefits, and also face prison. after leaving prison i have a criminal record so most employers wont want to employ me, meaning i have no income, and now with no benefits, my only real other means of income is crime.

    i'm not advocating doing nothing, far from it, but whatever is done will always have negative consequences for the country too.
    sort of damned if you do damned if you dont

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    sorry double post reply asked if it was ok to leave page, then took me to advanced reply page :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    That sounds like fun....... oh no wait...they are actually human beings with human rights - darn it!
    dont get me started on human rights the next 2 petitions that go through should be, forfeit human rights when found guilty of a crime, and removal of funds from prisons to give ps3s, tvs, xboxs to thugs in jail. if your commiting a crime atm do you think jail is a detterent? i dont, sounds good 3 meals a day, play games all day for good behaviour, little bit of work, and a bit of watch who you talk too, just like normal life really, except you dont have to pay for any of it...

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