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General Chat Thread, London Riots in General; Originally Posted by jamesfed And what has their training been focoused on most recently? Fighting in Afgan - yes indeed ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    And what has their training been focoused on most recently? Fighting in Afgan - yes indeed to many senses training and policing out there as well however its a whole diffrent world here in the UK.

    To that degree as well who has the better training to police the UK streets? The Police or the Army? as such should we not use the forces that are best suited to the current needs.
    Actually we were taught to police "European and Western world" streets as part of a NATO initiative (as are most NATO Armies), and the training was top notch - Riot control, maintain order, provide emergency services, and general policing (alongside local police complying with local laws).

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpsonj View Post
    These are 14-20 year olds, do you really think that the sight of a dead 14 year old girl broadcasted around the world is a good thing?
    whether they are just "mindless thugs" (which just seems to be a nice way dehumanising these people)
    my initial comment of shoot to kill was said tongue in cheek, but obviously in such a heated forum it can be overlooked so i apologise for that. i still stand by the fact that a much harder stance should be taken.
    and yes they are mindless thugs (look at the video of a group of them robbing a man who had been injured). if you want to protest over this mans death, protest. in the same sense if you wanted to protest over student fees, protest.
    but if your sole intention is to loot, riot, cause harm and destruction, you are a thug, a criminal and closer to savage animals than humans (so yes, it is dehumanising them, but from their actions they have done that themselves)

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I agree with your other comments but this is ridiculous - how else do you describe these people!? They are mindless thugs, no question about it.
    Because I could equally describe them as teenagers, sons, daughters, nieces, nephews. When you say you want to kill a "mindless thug" it sounds justified. However saying you want to kill someone's teenage son or daughter, it doesn't sound quite as justified, it sounds like murder.

    I'm not saying what they are doing is right, far from it, but I think people need to be reminded that these are still people. Uneducated, and by the sounds of the two teenage girls the BBC have interviewed, mind bogglingly self centred, but surely we have to ask why they have these views, and not just shoot them because of those views.

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    Office Workers in #BROMLEY have been told by Police to go home, trouble is starting there.

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    There is great international outcry at countries like Syria using their army to suppress rioting; how would the headlines look if we were to resort to the same. My late father-in-law (ex soldier) said the problem with using the army on the streets is they are trained to defeat their enemy using all means possible, including incapacitating & killing people. He argued that Northern Ireland was a case in point; soldiers fighting civilians with one arm tied behind their backs. Also, the terrorists were keen to describe themselves as an 'army' until the british army took them on as an 'army' & started killing them....

    The situation in London & other cities is being caused by a relatively small number of people with an agenda..... theft, criminal damage, hatred of the police & the establishment amongst others. They are not freedom fighters, or soldiers, they are criminals & should be dealt with by the police.
    Last edited by broc; 9th August 2011 at 01:44 PM.

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    For god knows what reason, it's kicking off in Wellingborough. Town centre being closed down. We've just been booted out of school to secure the site. Joy

    Watch out for looters carrying armfuls of headbangs and bracelets from Clares Accessories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJonas View Post
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    Cheers mate, I've adjusted the LART into a Looter Attitude Readjustment Tool...should be good

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    Quote Originally Posted by broc View Post
    It's the BIG SOCIETY at work.... people helping themselves..... it's what Cameron wished for as part of his programme of cuts to public services. People should be careful what they wish for......

    Great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Actually we were taught to police "European and Western world" streets as part of a NATO initiative (as are most NATO Armies), and the training was top notch - Riot control, maintain order, provide emergency services, and general policing (alongside local police complying with local laws).
    The training is good, but for dealing with rioters the only folk I would trust are RMP and Marine Police ... for providing assistance to civil authorities (traffic control, supporting Fire and Ambulance services) then yes ... definitely a good use. It is like everything else, use the appropriate tool for the appropriate task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broc View Post
    There is great international outcry at countries like Syria using their army to suppress rioting; how would the headlines look if we were to resort to the same. My late father-in-law (ex soldier) said the problem with using the army on the streets is they are trained to defeat their enemy using all means possible, including incapacitating & killing people. He argued that Northern Ireland was a case in point; soldiers fighting civilians with one arm tied behind their backs. Also, the terrorists were keen to describe themselves as an 'army' until the british army took them on as an 'army' & started killing them....

    The situation in London & other cities is being caused by a relatively small number of people with an agenda..... theft, criminal damage, hatred of the police & the establishment amongst others. They are not freedom fighters, or soldiers, they are criminals & should be dealt with by the police.
    The riots in other countries about being free? wanting to be no longer under a dictator? protesting against the government?

    Last I checked this was an organised Yob Launch to Loot and nothing more, to keep the Cops so busy that they can do what they want and how they want. Big difference really, the yobs are starting this war not people who are protesting. In other countries people are being forced to silence their anger when they simple want to protest, where as here they are physically threatening people, breaking in to shops, threatening peoples lives and lively hood and not actually protesting anything. One video on the mail had a girl say "We getting our taxes back init"....... yeah very big difference from some one who probably never worked.

    Big difference from some one sticking "No Cuts" on their shirt to some one wearing a hoody threatening a kid for his IPhone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Actually we were taught to police "European and Western world" streets as part of a NATO initiative (as are most NATO Armies), and the training was top notch - Riot control, maintain order, provide emergency services, and general policing (alongside local police complying with local laws).
    Please see later comment as well about that split second reaction....

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    For god knows what reason, it's kicking off in Wellingborough. Town centre being closed down. We've just been booted out of school to secure the site. Joy

    Watch out for looters carrying armfuls of headbangs and bracelets from Clares Accessories.
    I remember chatting with a mate from Toxteth, telling me about when he was younger ... they had quite a lot of outsiders coming in and causing problems all those years ago. They knew this because the graffiti was spelt properly.

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    Just had our local comunity support office (proper copper) tell us that entire force are on call to help with situation around the country should need arise

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