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General Chat Thread, London Riots in General; Originally Posted by localzuk Yep, its a society of people feeling entitled to everything. I grew up knowing that if ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Yep, its a society of people feeling entitled to everything. I grew up knowing that if I want something, I have to work hard and I can earn enough to get it. Kids now don't, we've got credit cards for that, or the government will give them welfare cheques to keep them happy.

    As soon as the government says enough is enough, BAM, they through their toys out of the pram.
    Here's an interesting viewpoint:
    http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p...article/10970/

    London’s burning: a mob made by the welfare state

    Yes, there’s a ‘political context’ to the riots: it is that British youth have been so suckled by the state they have zero sense of community spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    And did you grow up under a tory or labour govt.? And which govt. did these dole wallers grow up under?
    Conservative. John Major to be precise!

    To blame the upbringing of the current youth on a govt. which has been in power for less than a year is a wee bit silly I think you'd agree.
    I'm not blaming it on this government, I'm blaming the last one. This government is being entirely sensible!

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    Boy do I love being a 21 year old with a few brain cells to rub together - although I do have the Cubs, Scouts and the Air Cadets to thank for a well-founded sense of community and what is the right thing to do.
    Now are more organisations like that going to help? To be honest I don't think so as the kinds of people who appear to be causing all of these problems have no interest in youth organisations like that.

    That then leaves it down to good parenting and the schools to install a sense of what is British – only thing is the parents are just part of the same vicious circle and the schools are well out of their depth when it comes to these kinds of things.

    I’m now a member of the RAF volunteer reserves and are more than saddened to see how this can happen in ENGLAND….by that I mean this isn’t Syria and this isn’t Egypt but for some strange reason in our western civilised world some parts of the population still feel that they can tear up out capital city!

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    RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!
    good luck him getting up the thames. look what happened to the whale when it tried.
    tomorrows headline "Kraken dragged back to sea by tug boats after getting stuck"

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Conservative. John Major to be precise!



    I'm not blaming it on this government, I'm blaming the last one. This government is being entirely sensible!
    I knew you wouldn't get my attempt at sarcasm. Yeah I agree with you, my "dig" was at mattx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Netman View Post
    It is with regret that tomorrow’s (Wednesday 10 August) international fixture with Holland at Wembley has been called off.

    More news will follow on TheFA.com - The website for the English football association, The FA Cup and The England football team shortly.

    I have two very sad nephews now
    You have two very safe nephews now

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    BBC News - Injured boy mugged during disturbances in London

    Absolutely ridiculous. How long before the army arrive - shame we aren't in Northern Ireland, they would be there by now.

    Chris

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    #grandtheftlondon

    My friends went to London and all I got was this 47" TV!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPLTD View Post
    BBC News - Injured boy mugged during disturbances in London

    Absolutely ridiculous. How long before the army arrive - shame we aren't in Northern Ireland, they would be there by now.

    Chris
    Not targeting your point directly (bit more general and sweeping but hey!).

    The police are there to protect the people and keep the law and order - they are trained to handle complex situations on the streets of the UK.
    The Army/Military are there to protect the nation from other nations through the deployment of weapons - they are trained to handle complex situations on the streets of other nations. Indeed if you are a detachment of 30 men and you have a large force coming towards you your next move is to lay down as much fire as possible and reach for the RAF to rain down an air strike.

    So although the Army wouldn't go in with weapons they would go in with the wrong training/experience for the situation.

    I'm sure many members of the military would like to help - after all they feel a strong enough link to the country to fight for it but that doesn’t mean they signed up to start policing the streets.

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    It's very easy to assing blame. Really the only blame should be assigned to the people doing the rioting and looting!

    Yes things could be done better by governments but it's very easy to look back and say that x made mistakes.

    I have my own thought on government in general but to me the biggest issues is with society. In general far too many people have the attitude "what can ssociety do for me" instead of "what can I do for society".

    I was brought up to understand that if you want something you work for it. Everything I have I worked for and there is loads of things I want but I know that I will need to work to get them. I hope I raise my child the same way.


    /RamblingThoughts

    P.s. Having a day off and watching batman. There might be something in this...

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    I love reading all the knee jerk reactions - puts a smile on my face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPLTD View Post
    BBC News - Injured boy mugged during disturbances in London

    Absolutely ridiculous. How long before the army arrive - shame we aren't in Northern Ireland, they would be there by now.

    Chris
    Irish history would suggest the British Army made the problems (far worse than riots) intensify for decades. Who wants to learn from history when there's some large sweeping statements to make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblacksheep View Post
    Irish history would suggest the British Army made the problems (far worse than riots) intensify for decades. Who wants to learn from history when there's some large sweeping statements to make?
    Perhaps the difference here being the British Army would be in a British city in England that isn't under dispute by another country with sectarian violence, just mindless idiots?
    Otherwise wouldn't it be like saying the army shouldn't be on the streets of London as look how it ended up in Iraq?

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    Scotland Yard reporting the man shot (don't know who by) last night has died. RIP.

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