Glad to see that greenwich council will work to evict any council-housed #londonriots #greenwichriots participants. Will other councils?
agree or disagree, that is what we're on about.
if (exaggerated example) the government said anybody caught looting will have their hands chopped off, then after the third or fourth person gets their hand lopped off, the other scum thinking of doing it will think "hang on, do i want to risk it".
obviously im not saying chop hands off, but if the fear of punishment is there, it will deter
That system works in Saudi. I remember once my friend went to Saudi and when it was prayer time in the middle of the day, the shops were left open, not because they trusted people, but because they knew nobody would steal as they would lose a hand.
Fine we dont need a system that extreme, but we need a system that works as a proper deterrant, not just sitting in a cushy cell with a better meal that the serving soldiers get and a playstation 3 etc. They need a matress, toilet, sink, 3 basic rations a day, 1 hour exercise a day and be locked up for the rest of the day. Only form of entertainment would be books. Beyond that prisoners deserve no more. Same goes for Juvie as well. Shove the rioters in Juvie or Prison with that sort of system, and I bet they will think twice!
Unfortunately kids today seem to think the only way to gain respect is through fear, at the end of a knife or gun.
Just read this on BBC news website - says it all really.Originally Posted by email by an anonymous police officer in Surrey (to the BBC)
Personally I would never carry a knife anywhere, other than in a tool box in my car on the way to a job. I would take it out of the car after use. This is because I, rightly or not, believe I would be punished for carrying an offensive weapon and punished accordingly.
IMO punishment does work. My ex mates are all loons now as even when they were caught for doing quite horrendous stuff they were not properly punished - GBH/ABH = a few months in a cushty prison with more luxuries than they were used to at home. Obviously they don't want to be back in jail, but they are not that bothered tbh
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Dos_Box (10th August 2011)
Sky now reporting they are making plans to use water cannons. Good about time. Fill them with red dye first though
I'm not saying this would work for everyone, by any stretch, my point is more that saying fear and punishment are key is oversimplifying.
GrumbleDook (10th August 2011)
Hello Rioters. Look at your friend, now back to me. Now at your friend, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me, but if he stopped using petrol bombs and started using job centre he could potentially be me. Look down, back up. Where are we? You're at an interview with the man your friend could work for. What's in your hand? Back at me. I have it. It's an application form to that job you need. Look again. The form is now money. Anything is possible when you get a job and stop looting.
I'm at my job.
Playing devils advocate, if the councils evict them they will end up in another councils jurisdiction. Do we expect every council to turn them away? Start forming shanty towns on the outskirts of town?
& talking about prisons, studies have shown that countries with freer (less harsh) prisons actually have a lower rate of re-offence. Though spinning again that could be because they all ready have a low crime rate/high moral level.
I do think the police should have taken a stronger stance from the second night though. But they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they show up prepared for trouble they are accused of inciting it themselves, if they try and police carefully they are told they are being soft. Same as happened with the student protests. Personally I blame a lot of it on Americanisation. Kids going around saying stick it to the "Feds", complain about how harsh & unfair the police are, when in fact they are taking their experience from US films, tv, music and events. We have had a tradition of policing by consent where as in US they have policed by force. If the population, even a section of it as we have now, disregard that consent what are the police to do?
I think the funniest thing is how there was such an uproar about kettling and now everyone (generally, not specific to here) is demanding rubber bullets and the full force of the military to be used.
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