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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    That's where our education system falls down - we treat children like idiot and try to dupe them into believing things that aren't true instead of actually explaining things to them properly.
    Next stop explaining how a nuclear reactor works (sorry thats a little OTT but had to be said!).

    You are certainly correct there though - either way I'd want to opt for the simple option first give it a few years and then say - 'This is copyright infringement, its a little like stealing but a bit different'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    Next stop explaining how a nuclear reactor works (sorry thats a little OTT but had to be said!).
    You say that like it is hard to explain, you don't need to go into the whole thing eairly on, just the important stuff. Put a certain amount of a special nuclear metal together and it makes heat. That heat boils water, the steam spins a wheel that turns a generator and makes electricity. All factual and not to hard to explain to a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    You say that like it is hard to explain, you don't need to go into the whole thing eairly on, just the important stuff. Put a certain amount of a special nuclear metal together and it makes heat. That heat boils water, the steam spins a wheel that turns a generator and makes electricity. All factual and not to hard to explain to a child.
    Semi proving my point - you have to start simple first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    Semi proving my point - you have to start simple first.
    Yes, but you aren't lying by saying that magic happens... or similar. Which is what you're doing when you say copyright infringement is theft. Simplification doesn't mean lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Yes, but you aren't lying by saying that magic happens.
    As a proud ex-student of Physics and someone who is keenly interested in the world of science I take offense by anyone saying that 'magic happens' isn't lying when referring to the splitting of the atom by a neutron. lol!

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    Oops, mistyped - I meant 'are' not aren't. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Oops, mistyped - I meant 'are' not aren't. lol
    Oh well - As I said to be honist just using simple terms on a day during the holidays when I am working over Lync 2010 more than coming on here!

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    now a precedent has been set:

    A group of UK copyright lobbyists held confidential, closed-door meetings with Ed Vaizey, Minister for Culture, Communications and Creative Industries to discuss a plan to allow industry groups to censor the Internet in the UK. The proposal has leaked, and it reveals a plan to establish “expert bodies” that would decide which websites British people were allowed to see, to be approved by a judge using a “streamlined” procedure. The procedure will allow for “swift” blocking in order to shut down streaming of live events.

    Public interest groups like the Open Rights Group asked to attend the meeting, but were shut out, presaging a regulatory process that’s likely to be a lopsided, industry-centric affair that doesn’t consider the public. The process is characterised as “voluntary,” but the proposal makes reference to the Digital Economy Act, which allows for mandatory web-blocking (thanks to the action of LibDem Lords who submitted a proposal written by a record industry lobbyist as an amendment to the DEA).

    LEAKED: UK copyright lobby holds closed-door meetings with gov’t to discuss national Web-censorship regime – Boing Boing


    The Open Rights Group has a campaign to repeal the DEA that you can sign onto:

    Open Rights Group | Ask your MP to support the United Nations report

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    a) who could have predicted that a system to block child porn would eventually be used to block lots more things
    b) doesn't matter, people will just route about the problem, maths always beats laws

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    No, still wrong... If I go out and see someone waving their arm around and I duplicate that behaviour precisely, I have not suddenly stolen their arm waving. The 0s and 1s you talk of are still on the server exactly where they were before, except now there are 2 sets of them.

    Its even difficult to say how much piracy actually loses the music/movie industry, as they use the overly simplistic method of '1 download = 1 lost sale', which is preposterous as every person you'll ever talk to who has pirated something will say that they wouldn't pay for it anyway, so no sale was lost.
    and there are always people who download for a legit version say the cd cracked got lost covered in jam etc and wont play or they wanted to rip it to their phone but their pc dosent have a cd/dvd drive (yes i know fair use is again debatable but forcing people to buy a track twice is no good for anyone either just increases resentment towards "rich music corps")

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    As a proud ex-student of Physics and someone who is keenly interested in the world of science I take offense by anyone saying that 'magic happens' isn't lying when referring to the splitting of the atom by a neutron. lol!
    but to 99% of people it is and may as well be magic. How many people here could explain exactly how you go from binary (so basically "a lot of fast switches" to call of duty you dont need to know) and as Arthur C Clarke said
    any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

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    Everybody on this thread so far has talked sense, but then that's not surprising given that the nature of posters is bent towards a techie point of view.

    My main problem with this court ruling is that any tech savvy interpreter would clearly be able to see that this is neither a solution to piracy nor a benefit to the plaintiff. However the judge wasn't able to see this as they're expected to be a 'jack of all trades'.

    Maybe the judicial system needs reviweing when it comes to cases that deal with new technology (and let's face it, anything connected with that t'internet thingy is still relatively new to most ancient judges) be reviewed and judged by somebody with a thorough understanding of the technical details.

    To use a real world analogy, this is the same as saying Alan, who lives at the end of the street, knows a guy called Bob, who can get you some high quality knock off gear, and Alan is quite happy to tell you where Bob lives. This ruling is the same as telling the highways agency to close off the part of the street leading to Alan's house. It sets a dangerous precedent of impeding Alan's daily activity, stopping his mates or his gran coming round who just want a cuppa, and if Alan's neighbour, Charlie, also knows where Bob lives, he could also end up being fenced in.

    Sorry, bit of a long winded analogy, but it just smacks of ridiculous judiciary madness.

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    It would appear the trouble with a great many things is having to have everything judged by a jack of all trades.

    Education - built to suit the average person, not a person as an individual
    Politics - built to suit the politicians, but they'll try and sell you their ideas on an average ideal.
    Law - judged on what someone/some people who can't possibly know it all think is right.

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    in an update to this today on the BBC:
    BBC News - Government drops website blocking

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    Not that it will stop it but I guess its a good thing for the whole freedom of the web thing.

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