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General Chat Thread, Goodbye to BIOS in General; If you're interested in saying goodbye to BIOS. coreboot is the place to go. Looks quite promising! Has anyone had ...
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    Goodbye to BIOS

    If you're interested in saying goodbye to BIOS. coreboot is the place to go. Looks quite promising!
    Has anyone had any experience with this yet? I'm going to start looking into it and try it out (if it's compatible).

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    Given it's last update was a year and a half ago and the list of supported boards/chipsets is quite old I think I'll give it a miss thanks
    On a more serious note though, isn't the BIOS getting replaced by something new soon anyway? Or has the industry fallen out with each other again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    Given it's last update was a year and a half ago and the list of supported boards/chipsets is quite old I think I'll give it a miss thanks
    On a more serious note though, isn't the BIOS getting replaced by something new soon anyway? Or has the industry fallen out with each other again!
    Its going to EFI/UEFI now. Windows 7 supports it and I believe there are a number of boards with it on now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    Given it's last update was a year and a half ago and the list of supported boards/chipsets is quite old I think I'll give it a miss thanks
    On a more serious note though, isn't the BIOS getting replaced by something new soon anyway? Or has the industry fallen out with each other again!
    i thought it was getting replaced by Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) and Unified EFI (UEFI)

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    Hmm, it seems to be quite up to date - updated the devices in Feb 2011.
    It'll be good to finally get rid of BIOS.

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    Asus' UEFI BIOS is by far the best out of all of them. LinuxBIOS CoreBoot doesn't look particularly good at all.


    I've said a lot of very nice things about the UEFI BIOS replacement that Asus seems to have implemented on every new motherboard introduced this year. While that praise is well deserved, I kind of expected the competition to have caught up by now. Not to give anything away, but they haven't. Asus' UEFI remains the cream of the crop, not just because it has the slickest graphical user interface, but also because it offers some of the most useful overclocking, tweaking, and fan control options around. (Source)

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    I like this bit on the home page from the OP:

    Project Cost

    This calculator estimates how much it would cost to hire a team to write this project from scratch.
    Include Markup And Code Markup Only Code Only
    Codebase 935,767 LOC
    Effort (est.) 263 Person Years
    Avg. Salary $/year
    $14,491,682
    coreboot, updated 13 Jul 2011



    $14.5m is the estimated cost!!!! Is that a joke?!

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    ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code?
    Depends, does it have to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code?
    Code:
    // This is my first line of code
    
    // This is line 3
    
    
    
    
    // I love whitespace!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code?
    Also, 935,767 divided by 263 (people years) gives us: 3558 lines of code per person, per year.

    3558 divided by 46 (assuming average number of weeks a full time person works per year) = 77

    77 divided by 37 (assuming average hours worked per week) = 2.08

    That means that this calculator is based on each person writing just over 2 lines of code per hour.

    I really hope I've done my maths correctly here, and if I have I must also correctly assume that this project is using 'coding tortoises' to complete the work

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    ^ very good.

    I did a search for what Linux was 'worth' as a comparison.
    In 2008 they reckoned just the Kernel (no software whatsoever) is worth $1.4Bn and fedora is woth about $10bn

    Linux Kernel Worth $1.4 Billion - O'Reilly Radar

    and that does work !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hightower View Post
    Also, 935,767 divided by 263 (people years) gives us: 3558 lines of code per person, per year.

    3558 divided by 46 (assuming average number of weeks a full time person works per year) = 77

    77 divided by 37 (assuming average hours worked per week) = 2.08

    That means that this calculator is based on each person writing just over 2 lines of code per hour.

    I really hope I've done my maths correctly here, and if I have I must also correctly assume that this project is using 'coding tortoises' to complete the work
    That would imply there be no design, testing, re-writing, project management, documentation or even research into the Mobo's that they are writing for.
    Could be quite accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    Asus' UEFI BIOS is by far the best out of all of them. LinuxBIOS CoreBoot doesn't look particularly good at all.
    <Tongue in cheek> - Copying apple macs again using EFI

    Does Asus have anything to do with apple hardware or who makes the logic ( mother ) boards for apple ?

    EFI / U-EFI as per above

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code?
    As long as it takes you to copy and paste ?

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