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    Help! Job advice needed

    Hi,

    I would really appreciate some advice..

    I work for 4 primaries.. as an ICT Operations Manager 27k .. now one of the schools wants me to work for them full time.. same hours/salary..

    the head has been going on about this for a few years ..but i have always declined.. (prefer the variety and security..and that i'm not a big financial burden on a single school)

    the problem is that working for multiple schools.. the work is very similar and i feel i'm not progressing much. There would be plenty of work to fill my time If I went for the single school option (radio station, podcasts, mutimedia .. etc)

    the worry is financial security.. the school is only a single form entry with a childrens centre..I dont know of any primary schools with a techie on a similar salary...the ones I have seen are for 2 form entry+

    i dont know what to do..I want to take the job..but just this worry..the Head says theres nothing to worry about..

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    I've worked in a single for entry state primary school and now work in a single form entry independent. Personally, I doubt there'll be enough IT work alone to keep you going full-time. You would have to do something else as well to fill the time. I did/do both schools part-time and was/am the School Librarian in those part-time hours.

    I would get the Head to explain in writing what your duties would be full-time. From the school's point of view having you there whenever something 'goes wrong' sounds wonderful, but I suspect the extra time would be changing printer toners and digging teachers out of holes... not developing your career. Find out what the Head wants to achieve by having you there more often.

    A compromise may be to increase your hours at this achool and drop one of the other 3.

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    Well I am already doing 2.5 days here.. I dont want to cut a single school out.. I think it's all or nothing now (used to work for 11 schools)

    the head would want me to get more involved with the curriculum side of things.. like working with the children everyday in our radio station, creating podcasts, we have just bought ipads, imacs, a green screen .. the teachers dont have the time .. so she is looking at me to support them in this...I also maintain the website.. there will definetly be work for me..

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    If you are absolutely sure that there is the work then I would go for it.
    tjay works full-time in a local first school - it is a bit bigger than you mention but she is certainly busy - she does a great deal of DVD editing and filming etc - they have a green screen etc.
    However, it all depends on what you want to do in the future, because I am not sure how useful that sort of expertise is going to be when looking for an NM's job in a few years? That salary is amazing though- as the only tech in the school, responsible for everything, I get paid a lot less than that!
    What sort of responsibilities do you have? Mortgage, dependents, what? That would have some bearing on your future.

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    thanks witch..

    yes the salary is high..which is the scary bit really..feel like a sitting duck. I think if I dont take it..then the school might get someone else in for the days im not there .. or let me go and get someone else ful time. I have a really good relationship with the head though.. and wouldnt consider this move for the other schools.

    I have been doing the job for 10 years now.. starting with 11 primaries.. tbh I dont enjoy it as much.. and I do not want to pursue a technical career.. I enjoy the multimedia side a bit more.. Adobe After Effects / imovie etc.. I think move will alow me to develop those additional skills..

    i do have big commitments.. 100k mortgage.. 3 kids.. and strife.. i mean wife!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IT-Op78 View Post
    thanks witch..

    yes the salary is high..which is the scary bit really..feel like a sitting duck. I think if I dont take it..then the school might get someone else in for the days im not there .. or let me go and get someone else ful time. I have a really good relationship with the head though.. and wouldnt consider this move for the other schools.

    I have been doing the job for 10 years now.. starting with 11 primaries.. tbh I dont enjoy it as much.. and I do not want to pursue a technical career.. I enjoy the multimedia side a bit more.. Adobe After Effects / imovie etc.. I think move will alow me to develop those additional skills..

    i do have big commitments.. 100k mortgage.. 3 kids.. and strife.. i mean wife!
    If I were you I would have a long and serious chat with the head (he isnt near retirement, is he?) and really get a handle on what he wants and where he is going..and then take it!! tjay reckons that they make loads of money selling dvds of anything and everything so from a budget perspective it is really valuable to the school to have a multi-media presence.(they don't allow photography at the events so the parents are keen to buy!)
    If the technical bit is not you anymore, then go for it! Life is too short AFAIC. Enjoying your job is really important.
    Good Luck

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    I personally would take the job but on the proviso that the headteacher signs you on for a minimum of 2 years (I say this so you have definite stability until the pay freeze is over) and gives you a full and structures layout of the work that you will be undertaking.

    This job seems like a gold mine to some of us, as some of us are Network Managers and are on a lot less (Infact after you pro rata my wage etc I am on 15k less a year!)

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    Given the way things are going the more curriculum focused job at a single school will probably be better for you long term as long as you get assurances of stability like the others above have meantioned. Besides in a school environment ICT specialist consultant is way more lucritive and marketable in the long run. Dropping to a single school may actually make it easier too as there will be just the one set of problems/solutions to keep in mind.

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    Moving to one school seems like a bit of a risk. Surely you could increase your hours with the school and perhaps drop another ?

    In terms of career development variety is the spice of life. Contradicting what alot of people have said above I think having more schools would be better. (Maybe not on the stress levels - but that depends on how you handle stress)

    I would also question if there would be enough to do long term at one site? You may eventually be drawn to browsing the internet or not doing anything particuarly constructive....You say your interested in multimedia? But unless your an expert what actual skills are you getting in delving into 'multimedia' stuff for your career? As lets face it, senior management just want a working computer network.
    Last edited by Jiser; 10th July 2011 at 09:15 PM.

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    thanks!

    I have had a serious chat with the head and voiced my concerns.. i have been assured that i have nothing to fear.. i think she wants me to become ict-co ordinator in the futue... not sue how i feel about that!

    i actually accepted the position last week..and will be putting in my resignation this week to the other schools.. just last minute jitters i guess..

    I dont have any formal IT qualifications.. i did complete the ccna academy program.. but never bothered with the exam..

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    Quote Originally Posted by IT-Op78 View Post
    thanks!

    I have had a serious chat with the head and voiced my concerns.. i have been assured that i have nothing to fear.. i think she wants me to become ict-co ordinator in the futue... not sue how i feel about that!

    i actually accepted the position last week..and will be putting in my resignation this week to the other schools.. just last minute jitters i guess..

    I dont have any formal IT qualifications.. i did complete the ccna academy program.. but never bothered with the exam..
    Good luck then. Maybe you should get some certs under your belt to back up your experiance.. Perhaps the new school would pay for it? Some MCPs or higher educaitions

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    get the school to put you through a crash course on CCNA do you can get your final Cert. Having the semesters mean nothing without that last bit of paper.

    Also becoming ICT Co-Ordinator is a good thing as you would be the man who has the final say (well excluding the HT/Govs) on all ICT in the school, that is a good thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiser View Post
    Moving to one school seems like a bit of a risk. Surely you could increase your hours with the school and perhaps drop another ?

    In terms of career development variety is the spice of life. Contradicting what alot of people have said above I think having more schools would be better. (Maybe not on the stress levels - but that depends on how you handle stress)

    I would also question if there would be enough to do long term at one site? You may eventually be drawn to browsing the internet or not doing anything particuarly constructive....You say your interested in multimedia? But unless your an expert what actual skills are you getting in delving into 'multimedia' stuff for your career? As lets face it schools at the end of the day senior management just want a working computer network.
    i'm already working 2 and half days at the school.. and i have a backlog of work.. i find myself browsing the web at the other schools! it's really strange..they see me as just a technical person.. whereas at the other school i'm involved in a lot more..

    i disagree about having more schools.. you basically firefight..and cant move the school on with new tech.. the head will realise this sooner or later (it has happend to me) and will appoint someone else for more hours..not because they are unhappy.. they want someone who will move ict forward (without paying extra)

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    doing the ccna academy put me off networking lol! the head said she will send me on courses etc..so thats good.. the only thing i'm not looking forward to is doing staff training

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    believe me, get the certificate, it will help in the long run (Mind you I hated the final exam)



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