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    Industrial Action - One Rule for One?

    Just wondering if anybody can answer this question. We've received some documentation from the County on how to act next week with the strike (i.e. who should be at work, what the procedure for signing in is etc etc) and it states that teaching staff will lose 1/365th of their annual salary for each days strike they partake in - unless my maths is way out, this boils down to 1/7th of a weeks salary. Support staff will lose 1/5th of their weekly salary.

    So, to simplify it, if me and a teacher both get paid £70 per week, and we both strike, the teacher will drop £10 from their wage for each day they strike, where as I would drop £14 for each day I strike.

    1) Have I read this right?
    2) Are my calculations correct?
    3) If so, how is this fair?

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    One minute, that can't be right, teachers are contracted to work 195 days per year, so they should lose 1/195th of their salary.

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    Type up the relevant bits of the doc and let us have a look. Hopefully you should have just paid more attention in Maths

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hightower View Post
    So, to simplify it, if me and a teacher both get paid £70 per week, and we both strike, the teacher will drop £10 from their wage for each day they strike, where as I would drop £14 for each day I strike.

    1) Have I read this right?
    2) Are my calculations correct?
    3) If so, how is this fair?
    Unless I'm missing something how do you work that out in terms of 1/7th vs 1/5th?

    1/365th of (random number) 20k on a teacher vs 1/365th of a (random number) 15k techie is still same amount?

    Doesn't matter how much you're earning, or what weeks you work, it's still 1/365th per day striking no?

    Steve

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    This is the advice that went out to our staff:

    ...A High Court judgement in 2004 determined that a day’s pay for a full-time teacher is 1/365th of their annual salary. For part-time staff, the deduction will be determined by the number of hours they would have worked on a strike day...

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    Not sure about it but our teachers have been told 1/260th

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    Does this mean that if a teacher were to strike on a Friday & a Monday they'd lose 4/365ths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    Type up the relevant bits of the doc and let us have a look. Hopefully you should have just paid more attention in Maths
    Attached a screenshot of the relevant bit of the doc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve21 View Post
    Unless I'm missing something how do you work that out in terms of 1/7th vs 1/5th?

    1/365th of (random number) 20k on a teacher vs 1/365th of a (random number) 15k techie is still same amount?

    Doesn't matter how much you're earning, or what weeks you work, it's still 1/365th per day striking no?

    Steve
    It says 1/365th of the annual salary, which is the same as 1/7th of a week salary (if it was 1/5th of a weekly salary like it states it is for support staff then it would have been 1/260th of the annual salary)


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    We've recieved similar information, Teachers loose 1/365th, Support loose 1/260th/
    Where employees take part in strike action, this will be classed as a breach of contract for which pay will be deducted on the following basis: -

    • Support Staff 1/260th of annual salary
    • Teachers 1/365th of annual salary

    For part time employees the deduction of pay will be that which would normally have been earned on that day.
    This does not seem remotely fair :/

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    Our staff have been told 1/365th as well. Support are not mentioned at all because, as we all know, we don't really exist.

    HBJB

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    We got a copy of a letter sent round from DCC:

    "Deductions from pay will be made for each day of strike action. For non-teaching staff, the deduction from pay will be equivalent to one day`s pay based on the number of days contracted to work including annual leave. For employees who work variable hours, the deduction will be the pay, including allowances and other payments, normally due for the number of hours of strike action. For any teaching staff, a deduction of pay equivalent to 1/365th of annual pay will be made for everyone who fails to report for work."

    Doesnt seem exactly fair.

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    Teachers have managed, somehow, to wangle one of the best employment contracts available. That is why they have a different rule to support staff.

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    Glad to see that it wasn't just my brain frazzled then, so everyone pretty much agrees that's how it reads and it's not exactly fair. Ho hum, have a good weekend everyone when it arrives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hightower View Post
    Glad to see that it wasn't just my brain frazzled then, so everyone pretty much agrees that's how it reads and it's not exactly fair. Ho hum, have a good weekend everyone when it arrives.
    Yep your original calculations were correct.

    I can't work out how it can be 1/365th. What happens when a teacher is sick on a weekend or a bank holiday, do they have to declare it as a sick day?

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    I should hope they get only 1/365th back but knowing teacher contracts, they'd probably strike over that too if they didn't get more then us.

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