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    Scottish Independence

    Whats everyones views on the current push for Scottish independence?

    Pros? Cons?

    Having a conversation on another forum, and wondered how everyone here felt about it.

    Ill start it off with this..

    How much of the financial burden would Scotland take with the UK deficit? since the RBS was one of the biggest banks in the UK to collapse.

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    Inb4: Scotland gets independance and England give them financial aid.

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    I would really like to think our government would... man up and not give them financial aid if they want Independence. Especially when we are struggling ourselves, like that would ever happen though.

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    The main issue would be over finance as the oil fields in the north sea would need to be handed over to scotland but the uk would stop is 3bn+ subsidy of the Scottish economy. I think the oildfield only generate about 2bn a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by penfold_99 View Post
    The main issue would be over finance as the oil fields in the north sea would need to be handed over to scotland but the uk would stop is 3bn+ subsidy of the Scottish economy. I think the oildfield only generate about 2bn a year.
    Although that's not going to last much longer, the SNP (who obviously have reason to over-estimate the time frame) say 40 years [source: http://www.snp.org/node/13905], although they're saying it as though that's a great thing - what will they do when it runs out? 40 years is not a long time in the grand scheme of things.

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    Welsh, NI, Scotland, Ireland, Europe - as far as I am concerned were giving to much money and subsidies to all of them. Free education to the scottish? Whats all that about as well.. Indepedence aload of BS. A load of hardliners who can't get over something over 100 years ago.

    If they want it that bad give them back their hills and rubbish weather...while at it the Welsh and NI as well and stop all the money were giving them as well. GG!

    There was that thing about money given to Pakistan as well. How about sorting our own country out first, instead of charging 1.35 a litre at the pumps and 20% VAT.

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    I doubt it will happen, they will just ask for more and more independent powers.

    As for the Pakistan aid, that is a political move. If you can boost education in the country you can hopefully boost the economy & led to extremist groups (who prey on the poor, uneducated & disenfranchised) dying out or at least finding it harder to survive. It also boosts our standing in the country, can lead to international trade & can help links & good will. Depends on what price you put on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechMonkey View Post
    I doubt it will happen, they will just ask for more and more independent powers.

    As for the Pakistan aid, that is a political move. If you can boost education in the country you can hopefully boost the economy & led to extremist groups (who prey on the poor, uneducated & disenfranchised) dying out or at least finding it harder to survive. It also boosts our standing in the country, can lead to international trade & can help links & good will. Depends on what price you put on that.
    Only for a lot of the good will earned to be undone by our alliance with the US after they performed illegal military action to kill Osama Bin Laden in their country, citing the Pakistani's potential links with the Taliban as justification nice one America!

    [not that I think they should have let Osama get away, but they should have informed the Pakistani government what they were about to do!]

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    Trouble with independence is Scotland and our royalfamily are too closely linked.

    Prisons, Her Majesty's Pleasure anyone?
    Army, it's ours and not Scottish. Who will protect Scotland?
    Borders, have fun protecting them with no Navy and having to set one up on our border.
    Oh and the road network needs to be run. What about Scottish sports teams kicked out of English leagues (sports other then football!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    Army, it's ours and not Scottish. Who will protect Scotland?
    Anybody else thinking we have an ideal solution here?

    Give them full independence, then immediately invade and take full control

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    It won't happen.

    Hoots mon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    Anybody else thinking we have an ideal solution here?

    Give them full independence, then immediately invade and take full control
    I did raise that point on another forum "oh so you have the oil fields? and which navy will you send to protect them if we decide they are ours"

    As for the prescriptions / University fees, we really need an English parliament for that, the government looks after the UK, and the Scottish, welsh and northern Ireland parliaments look after themselves, we don't have anyone to fight for us. The Campaign for an English Parliament

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    independence for Wales and Scotland is long overdue. The 6 counties will be part of a 32county republic very, very soon.

    When Liz II pops off, time to review monarchy - Ponce Charles as king of England????? Hope not. Good time to dissolve the Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdoyle View Post
    independence for Wales and Scotland is long overdue. The 6 counties will be part of a 32county republic very, very soon.

    When Liz II pops off, time to review monarchy - Ponce Charles as king of England????? Hope not. Good time to dissolve the Union.

    Would rather be the 51st state of america then be lumped with Europe personally

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdoyle View Post
    independence for Wales and Scotland is long overdue. The 6 counties will be part of a 32county republic very, very soon.

    When Liz II pops off, time to review monarchy - Ponce Charles as king of England????? Hope not. Good time to dissolve the Union.
    We should skip Charles and move to William instead. But we should stick with a monarchy IMO.

    Why do these countries need independence? Just seems like an idea based on misconceptions and ridiculous arguments to me.

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