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    I love the idea of this. Surely its the future.

    The vast amount of work done in our school is web based, or microsoft office. Both of which are easily done online.

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    I've been playing about with Chrome(ium) OS since Hexxeh first started releasing builds. It's an interesting concept, and works relatively well. I don't think the current setup is suited to schools (requires a google login), but it could be adapted I'm sure. I think native applications are being phased out in favour of the convenience of the web (SaaS and all that), and things like Chrome's Native Client go a long way in helping with regard to performance and capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danbuntu View Post
    What codecs?
    I thought Flash and it's associated video codec (H.264?) had to be licensed? I imagine there'll be royalties to pay to Microsoft, too, for OEMs.

    There was also some talk a few month ago of google having some kind of way of accessing programs on other machines.
    The latest information I could find reckoned a Citrix client - Chrome's schools / companies enquieries page asks if you currently have Citrix servers installed, which kind of implies they'll be pushing Citrix as the remote desktop solution. Hopefully you'll still be able to use plain RDP as well.

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    H.264 is not included in Chrome. Flash is licensed yes, but by Google as the distributor of the software in the firstplace - much like we have to be licensed to distribute it to our networks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    H.264 is not included in Chrome.
    Ah - does this mean Chrome OS won't be able to view YouTube video?

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    It must be able to with Google owning YouTube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    Ah - does this mean Chrome OS won't be able to view YouTube video?
    I don't see why not? Flash is bundled with Chrome instead of native H.264 support. Not to mention Google are moving Youtube video away from H.264 to WebM instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    Ah - does this mean Chrome OS won't be able to view YouTube video?
    http://www.edugeek.net/forums/news/74663-youtube-all-new-video-uploads-now-webm-format.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Flash is bundled with Chrome instead of native H.264 support.
    So you mean the version of Flash included with Chrome OS will be able to decode H.264 video? Surley whoever owns the patent on H.264 is still going to want a fee for each H.264-capable unit sold, hence I imagine stuff like H.264 support (in flash or otherwise) will appear in Chrome OS and not Chromium. I could be wrong, of course - Google might have come to some blanket licensing agreement with H.264's owners, or they might simply make the code available and leave it to resellers / OEMs to sort out licensing.

    Not to mention Google are moving Youtube video away from H.264 to WebM instead.
    Good point - I'd forgotten Google owned YouTube. I thought H.264-encoded FLV was the most widely used video format on other sites, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    So you mean the version of Flash included with Chrome OS will be able to decode H.264 video? Surley whoever owns the patent on H.264 is still going to want a fee for each H.264-capable unit sold, hence I imagine stuff like H.264 support (in flash or otherwise) will appear in Chrome OS and not Chromium. I could be wrong, of course - Google might have come to some blanket licensing agreement with H.264's owners, or they might simply make the code available and leave it to resellers / OEMs to sort out licensing.
    I think Adobe would be the licensee for H.264, not Google or the OEM - as they're the ones producing the software (ie. Flash).

    Good point - I'd forgotten Google owned YouTube. I thought H.264-encoded FLV was the most widely used video format on other sites, though?
    Yes, the older stuff is mostly in FLV with H.264, but all new stuff is cross encoded in WebM, with their older stuff being transcoded over time - with the eventual goal of moving to HTML5 for the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I think Adobe would be the licensee for H.264, not Google or the OEM - as they're the ones producing the software (ie. Flash).
    I think Qualcomm are the H.264 patent holders:

    H.264/MPEG-4 AVC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Adobe own the copyright on Flash, and might well have freely licensed Google to install and distribute it on whatever devices they want, but the patent license is completly separate. Typically, I understand that it's not worth trying to collect patent fees from individuals, a license-collecting agency would normally deal with OEMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhicks View Post
    I think Qualcomm are the H.264 patent holders:

    H.264/MPEG-4 AVC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Adobe own the copyright on Flash, and might well have freely licensed Google to install and distribute it on whatever devices they want, but the patent license is completly separate. Typically, I understand that it's not worth trying to collect patent fees from individuals, a license-collecting agency would normally deal with OEMs.
    But it is not Chrome that is using the H.264 codec, it is Flash. If I build a PC and stick Chrome and Flash on it, I am not the person using the H.264 patent, Flash is. I simply need to sign a license with Adobe to distribute Flash and the buck stops with them.

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    Personally found YouTube to be going downhill without Flash. Nearly every video I click on in Firefox 4 says I need Flash player and I have to start Chrome up. Which makes sense for Google I guess...

    These do look like nice toys to play with though, a mixture of mobile phone and portable computer. I assume they come with a means to watch bandwidth consumption over 3G?

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    Also for business (not sure about ed) need to rent minimum of 10 machines. Was hoping to get one for testing purposes...

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    What do people think of the specs and/or prices? Too expensive?

    Samsung Series 5 ChromeBook - £349 ($429) WiFi // £399 ($499) WiFi + 3G
    Both models available 24th June 2011 in the UK exclusively through Amazon and Dixons

    • 12.1" Widescreen LCD (1280x800 / 16:10 / 300 nit's)
    • Intel Atom N570 1.66GHz Dual Core CPU
    • 2GB DDR3 RAM
    • 16GB mSATA SDD
    • 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi
    • 1 MegaPixel WebCam
    • 4-in-1 SDXC Memory Card Reader
    • Mini-VGA port
    • 2 x USB 2.0 ports
    • 8.5 hour non-removable battery (lasts for 1,000 cycles)
    • 1.48 kg


    Acer ChromeBook
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    • 11.6" Widescreen LED-backlit LCD (1366x768 / 16:9)
    • Intel Atom N570 1.66GHz Dual Core CPU
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    • 4-in-1 Memory Card Reader
    • HDMI port
    • 2 x USB 2.0 ports
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