General Chat Thread, Future of ICT provision/support in schools in General; Originally Posted by localzuk
Some may centralise ICT provision within a cluster of schools, meaning the lead school in the ...
10th May 2011, 01:50 PM #31
That's exactly what I have been talking about. It's silly to have a group of schools in close proximity all doing 80%+ the same thing when it could be centralised with fewer overheads. Why have 12 individual data centres when 1 will do?
Originally Posted by localzuk
10th May 2011, 02:14 PM #32
To quickly jump in here again and point out a few issues ... mainly legal in nature.
Local, informal confederations of schools informally sharing services and hosting between them raise a number of issue.
1 - If data from school A is hosted at school B have you told the parents? Does your Data Protection Policies reflect this? When something goes wrong who is legally liable?
2 - Access to resources shared between schools is a problem. Without a central decision-making person it creates tension between the schools. Who will pay for this person and who will set their targets? A committee? They work so well ... Would it be a single school? How do you stop staff in that school putting pressure on that individual for preferential treatment for them or their school?
3 - Who takes control over the safeguarding aspect of things? What happens if techie from school A changes a setting which, indadvertedly, allows a child at school B to see something seriously disturbing?
There are a lot more things I could put but I don't want to be seen as being a blocker on the idea. It all boils down to this would need to have to be on a commercially contracted solution, either as a separate business or sold from a lead school. It becomes a managed service in all but name.
There is a lot of mileage on this ... a lot of mileage on sharing expertise, resources and time ... EG shows that ... it is just hard to get the ball rolling, is fraught with some legal issues and is subject to politics between schools.
10th May 2011, 02:38 PM #33
There is alot legally to deal with but this already happens with BSF so can be done in practice (No BSF jokes!)
Originally Posted by GrumbleDook
The IT Director or whoever is at the top is the person fully responsible as I am from taking over our Internet from the council
10th May 2011, 02:50 PM #34
I;m not saying it can't be done ... it can ... it has to be formalised, bound within legal contracts, set out clear services and boundaries, etc ... but we have already heard from others in the thread who are resistant to anyone running things other than them (often for valid reasons) and there have been so many arguments that BSF did *not* offer enough flexibility or value for money (again ... something open to discussion).
Originally Posted by irsprint84
10th May 2011, 05:20 PM #35
I don't have a huge amount to say on the subject, other than I really hope people are not left with offsite support as their only port of call.
I also really do not want to see people reliant on VDI solutions either. It's a good system but not for entire schools as it writes off too much ability.
And the less said about "The Cloud" the better. It's a buzzword I'd like to see die off very soon because it's definitely misused and certainly not a be-all and end-all solution.
10th May 2011, 05:36 PM #36
I would plan for each high school to host three primary schools close by with VDIs also you can licence Microsoft per groups of schools now but keep the high school as fat clients.
10th May 2011, 07:47 PM #37
- Rep Power
Large companies have large WANS which function just 'fine'.
Bringing schools together essentially creates the managed service. It makes sense to do this in many schools but as Dook says there would be lots of implications.
11th May 2011, 08:09 AM #38
I feel the same at times, there are advantages and disadvantages with it all. The place I work at just simply wouldnt work with outsourcing its IT Support, it is very reliant on getting it done "Now" or very "Quickly". As for cloud, I was looking at SQL provided by MS and although I am not sure if this includes schools or accurate but if I remember correctly you do pay for it monthly. And that cost is created from how much space you use and how much data is transmitted a month. For us here at the moment that just would not work, every year our intake of students increases and we still take on every student we can during term times. Even though we are always full we always squeeze in extra kids and if we was having to pay for "each user" that also wouldnt work for us. It is also the main reason why we purchased from, we pay for the system not bandwidth, user amount or web space we use. Which for us is exactly what we want.
Originally Posted by synaesthesia
BSF being a prime example, we would have to pay per user which is an immense price, our budget was 170K last year and that still wouldnt of covered the cost of BSF for our school. You can also imagine how we would have struggled this year with the budget cuts. If the likes of cloud computing is the future then when the costs are down we will look at it but it is still relatively young.
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