+ Post New Thread
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 31 to 38 of 38
General Chat Thread, Future of ICT provision/support in schools in General; Originally Posted by localzuk Some may centralise ICT provision within a cluster of schools, meaning the lead school in the ...
  1. #31
    KWestos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    520
    Thank Post
    91
    Thanked 54 Times in 45 Posts
    Rep Power
    25
    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Some may centralise ICT provision within a cluster of schools, meaning the lead school in the area takes on the responsibility.
    That's exactly what I have been talking about. It's silly to have a group of schools in close proximity all doing 80%+ the same thing when it could be centralised with fewer overheads. Why have 12 individual data centres when 1 will do?

  2. #32

    GrumbleDook's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Gosport, Hampshire
    Posts
    10,035
    Thank Post
    1,373
    Thanked 1,859 Times in 1,153 Posts
    Blog Entries
    19
    Rep Power
    609
    To quickly jump in here again and point out a few issues ... mainly legal in nature.

    Local, informal confederations of schools informally sharing services and hosting between them raise a number of issue.
    1 - If data from school A is hosted at school B have you told the parents? Does your Data Protection Policies reflect this? When something goes wrong who is legally liable?
    2 - Access to resources shared between schools is a problem. Without a central decision-making person it creates tension between the schools. Who will pay for this person and who will set their targets? A committee? They work so well ... Would it be a single school? How do you stop staff in that school putting pressure on that individual for preferential treatment for them or their school?
    3 - Who takes control over the safeguarding aspect of things? What happens if techie from school A changes a setting which, indadvertedly, allows a child at school B to see something seriously disturbing?

    There are a lot more things I could put but I don't want to be seen as being a blocker on the idea. It all boils down to this would need to have to be on a commercially contracted solution, either as a separate business or sold from a lead school. It becomes a managed service in all but name.

    There is a lot of mileage on this ... a lot of mileage on sharing expertise, resources and time ... EG shows that ... it is just hard to get the ball rolling, is fraught with some legal issues and is subject to politics between schools.

  3. #33

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    853
    Thank Post
    111
    Thanked 112 Times in 108 Posts
    Rep Power
    46
    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    To quickly jump in here again and point out a few issues ... mainly legal in nature.

    Local, informal confederations of schools informally sharing services and hosting between them raise a number of issue.
    1 - If data from school A is hosted at school B have you told the parents? Does your Data Protection Policies reflect this? When something goes wrong who is legally liable?
    2 - Access to resources shared between schools is a problem. Without a central decision-making person it creates tension between the schools. Who will pay for this person and who will set their targets? A committee? They work so well ... Would it be a single school? How do you stop staff in that school putting pressure on that individual for preferential treatment for them or their school?
    3 - Who takes control over the safeguarding aspect of things? What happens if techie from school A changes a setting which, indadvertedly, allows a child at school B to see something seriously disturbing?

    There are a lot more things I could put but I don't want to be seen as being a blocker on the idea. It all boils down to this would need to have to be on a commercially contracted solution, either as a separate business or sold from a lead school. It becomes a managed service in all but name.

    There is a lot of mileage on this ... a lot of mileage on sharing expertise, resources and time ... EG shows that ... it is just hard to get the ball rolling, is fraught with some legal issues and is subject to politics between schools.
    There is alot legally to deal with but this already happens with BSF so can be done in practice (No BSF jokes!)

    The IT Director or whoever is at the top is the person fully responsible as I am from taking over our Internet from the council

  4. #34

    GrumbleDook's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Gosport, Hampshire
    Posts
    10,035
    Thank Post
    1,373
    Thanked 1,859 Times in 1,153 Posts
    Blog Entries
    19
    Rep Power
    609
    Quote Originally Posted by irsprint84 View Post
    There is alot legally to deal with but this already happens with BSF so can be done in practice (No BSF jokes!)

    The IT Director or whoever is at the top is the person fully responsible as I am from taking over our Internet from the council
    I;m not saying it can't be done ... it can ... it has to be formalised, bound within legal contracts, set out clear services and boundaries, etc ... but we have already heard from others in the thread who are resistant to anyone running things other than them (often for valid reasons) and there have been so many arguments that BSF did *not* offer enough flexibility or value for money (again ... something open to discussion).

  5. #35

    synaesthesia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Northamptonshire
    Posts
    6,348
    Thank Post
    611
    Thanked 1,129 Times in 863 Posts
    Blog Entries
    15
    Rep Power
    496
    I don't have a huge amount to say on the subject, other than I really hope people are not left with offsite support as their only port of call.
    I also really do not want to see people reliant on VDI solutions either. It's a good system but not for entire schools as it writes off too much ability.
    And the less said about "The Cloud" the better. It's a buzzword I'd like to see die off very soon because it's definitely misused and certainly not a be-all and end-all solution.

  6. #36

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    853
    Thank Post
    111
    Thanked 112 Times in 108 Posts
    Rep Power
    46
    I would plan for each high school to host three primary schools close by with VDIs also you can licence Microsoft per groups of schools now but keep the high school as fat clients.

  7. #37
    Unvalidated User
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    England
    Posts
    24
    Thank Post
    8
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    0
    Large companies have large WANS which function just 'fine'.

    Bringing schools together essentially creates the managed service. It makes sense to do this in many schools but as Dook says there would be lots of implications.

  8. #38
    mthomas08's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,635
    Thank Post
    142
    Thanked 175 Times in 150 Posts
    Rep Power
    65
    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    I don't have a huge amount to say on the subject, other than I really hope people are not left with offsite support as their only port of call.
    I also really do not want to see people reliant on VDI solutions either. It's a good system but not for entire schools as it writes off too much ability.
    And the less said about "The Cloud" the better. It's a buzzword I'd like to see die off very soon because it's definitely misused and certainly not a be-all and end-all solution.
    I feel the same at times, there are advantages and disadvantages with it all. The place I work at just simply wouldnt work with outsourcing its IT Support, it is very reliant on getting it done "Now" or very "Quickly". As for cloud, I was looking at SQL provided by MS and although I am not sure if this includes schools or accurate but if I remember correctly you do pay for it monthly. And that cost is created from how much space you use and how much data is transmitted a month. For us here at the moment that just would not work, every year our intake of students increases and we still take on every student we can during term times. Even though we are always full we always squeeze in extra kids and if we was having to pay for "each user" that also wouldnt work for us. It is also the main reason why we purchased from, we pay for the system not bandwidth, user amount or web space we use. Which for us is exactly what we want.

    BSF being a prime example, we would have to pay per user which is an immense price, our budget was 170K last year and that still wouldnt of covered the cost of BSF for our school. You can also imagine how we would have struggled this year with the budget cuts. If the likes of cloud computing is the future then when the costs are down we will look at it but it is still relatively young.



SHARE:
+ Post New Thread
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123

Similar Threads

  1. Report reveals patchy ICT provision in schools
    By Mr.Ben in forum General Chat
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 13th April 2011, 09:50 AM
  2. ICT Schools Support - Bristol
    By Luke_T in forum Educational IT Jobs
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 16th March 2010, 10:56 AM
  3. Microsoft IT Academy - The Future of IT Skills Provision?
    By AndrewBettany in forum General Chat
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 2nd October 2009, 09:03 PM
  4. Excellent I.T. Provision and Support
    By squirrel in forum General Chat
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 12th October 2008, 10:23 PM
  5. ICT in Building Schools for the Future
    By Squashy in forum BSF
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 3rd July 2008, 02:02 PM

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •